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Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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So the only way you can compete is by avoiding tax?

All other things being equal, yes. Ceteris Paribus is a thing in economics. Basically what he means is that if you optimize everything in your business, all that remains is what is outside the bounds of the law, if you cheat, you'll win, basically forcing the other to cheat as well. Also, all big businesses cheat tax, either by using creative licensing agreements between subsidiaries or by miscategorizing things. Thi…

Sorry, I competed absolutely fine when I had an Airbnb rented out for a year. I certainly paid my tax. I didn't cheat anyone.

Your proposition that to compete I must cheat doesn't stand up. Individuals chose airbnbs based on quite a few variables. The only time things are going to be equal is if the units for rent are identically positioned, decorated to same standard, have the same furniture and appliances.

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So you work hard to make your city to become one of the major tourist destinations in the world, who bring in a lot of money and help the local business flourish, and then need a reprieve from that? Kinda counterproductive, no?

It's rich getting richer at the cost of a whole bunch of individuals getting f* ked, hospitality staff is still being underpaid with 0hours contracts, and tenants are still being f* ked with increased housing prices, so COVID was quite good for lower classes, and I have no sympathy for the upper ones, the worst they get, the happier I am

You seem swell. Give those 0 hour contract workers an actual zero hours (and lower bargaining power due to lower demand), just to stick it to the upper class. Super!

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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> a lose-lose proposition for anybody but the most short-term minded. "[I]n recent years the realisation has dawned that what’s good for Silicon Valley is not always good for everyone. What started with scrappy upstarts promising to make the world a better place has morphed into something more sinister: a pantheon of faceless multinationals who collectively dominate the world’s digital infrastructure, flouting regula…

It hasn't "morphed" into anything. It always was a way to easy money (while lying through their teeth), but way too many people are naive and couldn't see it earlier.

> It always was a way to easy money

Tell me again how Amazon, Microsoft, Google, Apple and Facebook were "easy money"

The devil personified in here, Mark Zuckerberg turned down the most "easy money" ever. 1 billion in cash for a couple years old company with an unproven business model, very few paying customers and no moat to speak of.

You gotta choose one, if extreme luck is involved in the process then it's not "easy" because it could have gone the other way as well, and the protagonists knew it too, but still decided to step into the arena.

We all know what happened to Digital Equipment which was the "easy money" company for the longest time.

Kodak? What happened to that "easy money printing machine"

Xerox anyone?

The reality is that you either die as a hero or live long enough to become the villan.

So now the villans are Bezos, Gates and Zuckerberg. Jobs and Allen died so they are the dear heroes who we miss and things would be much better if they were here today.

Musk is the hero charging on his white horse right now, but unless he OD's on that pure cartel coke he snorts or blows up together with one of his rockets , I expect the tide to turn against him violently and suddenly.

Then it's the turn of the crypto guys such as Brian Armstrong and Vitalik to have their moment of glory, and on and on and on.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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The 20% yoy housing price increases in NL have made it more than profitable to leave properties dormant. This is another factor in the housing crisis here, savings are taxed so wealthy individuals are all investing in property.

Only your primary residence gets to be tax-free in box 1 though? Any other real estate you own falls under box 3 and and is thus subject to the wealth tax ("vermogensbelasting"). See https://www.belastingdienst.nl/wps/wcm/connect/bldcontentnl/... for details (Dutch page)

Wealth tax is a very small fraction of the value of the property.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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There's a whole class of society that won't think of decreased tourism as a good thing

Half-Croat, half-German from Munich here. To add some perspective - tourism is a double edged sword for popular destinations, and it's... worse than a serious heroin addiction for everyone, in the end. On one side, many tourist destinations are happy to share the beauty of their landscape, the clean beaches, historical areas and the likes. And they make lots of money from it. On the other side, it's extremely easy to…

I think the "heroin" comparison is needlessly dramatic.

"Over-tourism" as you describe it is just one possible symptom of excessive capitalism.

There are many nice spots with tourists, and many ways to ruin a place without any tourists when regulations are lax or poorly enforced, e.g. privatization and massive price increases in the crucial infrastructure, or reckless industrial projects.

And some things are just dumb traditions. Of course Oktoberfest sucks for the locals, but so does new year's eve in Berlin if you dislike continuous explosions until dawn and rockets flying horizontally. Tourism doesn't change the nature of these events much, just the scale.

Many other big economical sectors are also highly dependent on a small set of factors that could quickly change and cause ripple effects when they go down. This is not unique to tourism. Think e.g. the decline of Detroit.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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It's a most cruel reminder of how bad regulations are.

Some regulations.

The ones passed in response to fat campaign donations. eg:anti municipal broadband, ever-ratcheting copyright laws

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Yeah… who are the owners of a flat to decide what to do with it, eh?

Yea... who are the neighbors of those flats to decide to protest loud and rude tourists that disturb the piece and quiet of their homes, eh?

Exactly. Flat owners can't privatize their gains while their socialized their costs. If a factory pollutes, we agreed that it should pay for the damage and control it. Why it is so difficult to understand that we just want the externalities from Airbnb to be addressed?

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Perhaps there's something deeply wrong with western housing systems? I don't want to sound too radical, but this seems to be inextricably connected to capitalism. We won't ever solve it without structural changes. What Amsterdam is doing is a decent start at least.

It's old vs young, new vs established. For most homeowners, their home is their most valuable asset. It's just not possible to simultaneously maintain high property values and have affordable housing. Given this, any "solution" to housing affordability is "solving" a problem that a sizable and highly influential segment of the population doesn't want solved. On the contrary, you see real government action whenever ho…

And that's what I think OP was alluding to about it being "inextricably connected to capitalism". As long as we treat housing like an asset, we'll have this problem. And I don't see how there's any other way to treat housing under a capitalist system.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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>The fight against Airbnb is a symbolic fight for the left winged parties in the city. That is just bullshit. The people complaining about their AirBnB neighbours are mostly in Zuid. Definitely in not Social housing. Please don't start projecting left/right schoolyard tribe politics in an international context. You embarrass our country. Usage of the phrase "left" and "right" is already dumb when Americans do it. But…

I agree using right vs left is dumb on occasions but OP has a point. Liberals (at least in US/Canada) used to be the one who would care about working middle class and their living conditions. In US and Canada all major North American cities(almost all of which I had left leaning politicians) the prices have exploded. You hear for example Canadian prime minister making it election pledge to make housing affordable, wh…

> Liberals (at least in US/Canada) used to be the one who would care about working middle class and their living conditions.

This confusion is understandable, but liberals never cared about the working middle class. Its just that in the US, the democratic party is a big tent of liberals, socialists and progressives, and the other side is a big tent of evangenicals, libertarians and conservative.

The ones that (claim to) care about the working class are the socialists. Liberalism comes from the French revolution, and is exported to the world through Amsterdam (appropiate in this topic!) and its value system is the foundation of modern day capitalism and enterpreneurship by free individuals (no matter how you pray or what you say) in a republic (every vote equal). So standard, you take it for granted.

You find the same disconnect between values in the other tent. Libertarians preaching small government for a republic ticket, even though every republican president has ended up spending more money than any president before.

One of the big downsides of first-past-the-pole is that a political world simplified to just two sides, doesn't do most people justice. Don't vote for the democrats if you want socialism. Don't vote for the republicans if you want libertarianism.

Evangelicals and progressives on the other hand, can do bussiness with the liberals and conservatives, since what they want isn't incompatible. Liberals hear progressives talk about 'inclusion' and they hear 'more customers' (hello, rich gay couples) or 'cheap labour' (hello, poor immigrants) and they get all wet in their stock portfolio.

Sidenote: If you ever wonder what America would look like when its just libertarians and socialists having to come together .. its called Burning Man, where autonomous libertarians feed socialist hippies, without liberal transactions or conservative judgment.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Lot's of experiences are amazing and wonderful when very few people do it, but they morph into something different when the masses come in. National parks. A rustic cafe in an old town. A picknick along a river bank. High signal internet forums. Venice. Zhangjiajie. Driving cars. I don't know if any solution exists. It seems to me that the only way to preserve the original experience is via some sort of exclusiveness…

Air travel was great in the early days.

Air travel is still great if you fly first class, which if I remember correctly, is exactly as expensive as air travel was in the good old days.
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