Facial recognition cameras installed in UK school canteens • Hacker News Board

Re: Facial recognition cameras installed in UK school canteens

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Post by DrBazza » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 1:08 PM UTC

chmod775 wrote: post #3

So instead of fixing the problem that pupils have to pay at all, they come up with this nonsense?

We had to pay for school meals in the 70s and 80s. In fact my school had closer to 1500 pupils, and we managed to get served, pay, eat, and play football in our lunch hour. I wonder what new problems there are in 2021 that it takes "25 minutes" (according to the article) to serve all the kids.

Re: Facial recognition cameras installed in UK school canteens

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Post by beardyw » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 1:10 PM UTC

You will probably find they are getting it for free to act as a reference site.

Ha, just realised - there's no such thing as a free lunch.

Re: Facial recognition cameras installed in UK school canteens

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Post by MisterTea » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 1:11 PM UTC

cblconfederate wrote: post #14

You know , people complain about the online world being infested with spies, but soon the real world will be worse.

And acceptance taught right in the schools. Grow up with cameras staring at you and you will grow to willingly accept them. Get em hooked while they're young.

"I grew up with cameras pointing at me my whole life and nothing bad ever happened to me! I don't understand what all the fuss is about."

Re: Facial recognition cameras installed in UK school canteens

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Post by alibarber » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 1:11 PM UTC

imgabe wrote: post #2

> In a secondary school you have around about a 25-minute period to serve potentially 1,000 pupils. Have they tried giving kids a humane amount of time to eat lunch?

In my secondary school of around ~1000 people they solved this by simply assigning a rotating time in the lunch break at which year groups could get the food (i.e a 10 min slot at 12:45 one day, 1300 the next, etc - you could sit and eat as long as you liked). I'm surprised this is not a solved problem...

Re: Facial recognition cameras installed in UK school canteens

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Post by fredley » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 1:11 PM UTC

stefan_ wrote: post #15

What happened to good old fucking smart cards?

Someone at the facial recognition company persuaded someone at the school that it would help cut bullying as smart cards can be stolen, faces cannot (so easily).

Re: Facial recognition cameras installed in UK school canteens

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Post by throwaway0a5e » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 1:13 PM UTC

MisterTea wrote: post #33

cblconfederate wrote: post #14

You know , people complain about the online world being infested with spies, but soon the real world will be worse.

And acceptance taught right in the schools. Grow up with cameras staring at you and you will grow to willingly accept them. Get em hooked while they're young. "I grew up with cameras pointing at me my whole life and nothing bad ever happened to me! I don't understand what all the fuss is about."

Nobody's yet dumb enough to say it out loud but there were definitively people in the approval chain for this system who saw that as a nice side benefit. School administration is a line of work that tends to attract authoritarians.

Re: Facial recognition cameras installed in UK school canteens

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Post by Jensson » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 1:13 PM UTC

stefan_ wrote: post #15

What happened to good old fucking smart cards?

Because cards doesn't spy on people? England is a China level surveillance state, the spying is a feature and not a problem.

https://www.usnews.com/news/cities/articles/2020-08-14/the-t...

Re: Facial recognition cameras installed in UK school canteens

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Post by franga2000 » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 1:40 PM UTC

I wonder how many children could've gotten free lunches for the cost of implementing this system. I wouldn't be surprised if you could feed the whole school for a few months and also roll out an RFID system for that same price.

Re: Facial recognition cameras installed in UK school canteens

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Post by tomjen3 » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 2:33 PM UTC

imgabe wrote: post #2

> In a secondary school you have around about a 25-minute period to serve potentially 1,000 pupils. Have they tried giving kids a humane amount of time to eat lunch?

Of the top of my head we had 15 or 20 minutes. Perfectly adequate time to eat the content of your brown bag.

Re: Facial recognition cameras installed in UK school canteens

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Post by BiteCode_dev » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 2:50 PM UTC

alibarber wrote: post #34

imgabe wrote: post #2

> In a secondary school you have around about a 25-minute period to serve potentially 1,000 pupils. Have they tried giving kids a humane amount of time to eat lunch?

In my secondary school of around ~1000 people they solved this by simply assigning a rotating time in the lunch break at which year groups could get the food (i.e a 10 min slot at 12:45 one day, 1300 the next, etc - you could sit and eat as long as you liked). I'm surprised this is not a solved problem...

It is a solved problem. The entire world has solved this problem.

This is not a reason, this is a pretext.