> North Ayrshire Council said 97 per cent of children or their parents had consented to the new system So the opinion of the North Ayrshire Council is that children can consent?
Well technically a subset of schoolchildren can -- those aged 16.
Facial recognition cameras installed in UK school canteens
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#22So instead of fixing the problem that pupils have to pay at all, they come up with this nonsense?
What nonsense? Before, children only had to pay for food. If they don't or can't pay, we starve them, that'll teach them. But now, they also have to pay for this system, and its potential life long consequences. Like, suppose we offer it to the cheapest contractor, which delivers a crappy insecure system. So somebody "hacks" it and leaks videos of children eating (just because it uploaded all footage to facebook and…
Aren't they minors? Can you run facial recognition on minor without their parents' consent? It should be illegal.
Somehow the whole thing reminded me of this:
Kids dressed as stormtroopers eating at the canteen with their helmets on.
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#23Do they use it to record the kids reaction to the food they serve to quickly and automatically rate their output quality and subsequently serve better food the next day? If not, what is the problem with this branch of reality?
That would not be very profitable for the entrepreneur that leases the canteen. No, cheaper ingredients at the same price point, and more sponsored candy bars. You can only go down once they get used to new quality level, hence the AI to measure. Want one too? It has broad application, of course.
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#24So instead of fixing the problem that pupils have to pay at all, they come up with this nonsense?
What nonsense? Before, children only had to pay for food. If they don't or can't pay, we starve them, that'll teach them. But now, they also have to pay for this system, and its potential life long consequences. Like, suppose we offer it to the cheapest contractor, which delivers a crappy insecure system. So somebody "hacks" it and leaks videos of children eating (just because it uploaded all footage to facebook and…
The school is in the UK, and Scotland at that - barely anyone has health insurance.
The system uses face recognition for interactions at the till, when paying for food, the likelihood of it filming usable footage of the dining hall that will be kept until leaked is pretty low.
A more likely threat model is that rather than video analysis, the system records Tommy bought five doughnuts each day and that database get leaked/sold.
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#25What happened to good old fucking smart cards?
This is the most baffling part for me too. Why can't they simply use a pre-paid card that they can scan to pay for their lunch. It's a simply problem with an even simpler solution.
This reeks of a scummy consulting firm overselling the school.
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#26> North Ayrshire Council said 97 per cent of children or their parents had consented to the new system So the opinion of the North Ayrshire Council is that children can consent?
I can say with complete certainty that this scheme was not presented to parents in the way it deserves to be.
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#27Wait a minute... I live in North Ayrshire. I wasn't asked. This sounds like a pile of shite to me!
From the article: "North Ayrshire Council said 97 per cent of children or their parents had consented to the new system"
With a wording like that and a percentage that high, I imagine it went down more or less like that: an adult explain to the kids in 5min what this does and how it will be better for everyone. Then ask kids to raise their hands if they are against it. And voila: 97% of the kids agree.
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#28> In a secondary school you have around about a 25-minute period to serve potentially 1,000 pupils. Have they tried giving kids a humane amount of time to eat lunch?
Unless lunch hours are different in Scottish schools, they're talking about the 25 minutes the canteen staff are serving the kids. There's another 35 minutes to eat the food.
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#29> North Ayrshire Council said 97 per cent of children or their parents had consented to the new system So the opinion of the North Ayrshire Council is that children can consent?
The more interesting problem, how do they handle the 3% who did not consent? - Do they eat in a different hall? - Do they have to wear Harry Potter like cloaking devices? - Or more like Ku Klux Klan hoodies?
This is an interesting question. Perhaps I’m a cynic but I’m going to guess option D: allow them to use another payment method but otherwise ignore the lack of consent entirely.
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#30You know , people complain about the online world being infested with spies, but soon the real world will be worse.
That's where the online world got their inspiration from. The whole point of membership cards is to track what, when and where you're buying things. Credit card processors also seem to sell that kind of data. This stuff was around even before internet tracking became popular. Now we are moving to using cash less and less too.