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Re: Colin Powell has died

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post #8

I won't understand respect for someone who was reponsible for the deaths of 100s of thousands of people because he lied.

If you are talking about Iraq, these people were not exactly living happy lives under Saddam rule. Colin lie is inexcusable, but Iraq war was a good thing for Iraq. Net zero at least.

(Feel free to downvote, downvote is used for disagreement on HN these days.)

Re: Colin Powell has died

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13 Rules of Leadership

First printed in the August 13, 1989, issue of Parade magazine,[41] these are Colin Powell's 13 Rules of Leadership.[42][43]

    It ain't as bad as you think.
    Get mad, then get over it.
    Avoid having your ego so close to your position that when your position falls, your ego goes with it.
    It can be done.
    Be careful what you choose. You may get it.
    Don't let adverse facts stand in the way of a good decision.
    You can't make someone else's choices.
    Check small things.
    Share credit.
    Remain calm. Be kind.
    Have a vision.
    Don't take counsel of your fears or naysayers.
    Perpetual optimism is a force multiplier.
(c)Wikipedia

Re: Colin Powell has died

#23
post #8

I won't understand respect for someone who was reponsible for the deaths of 100s of thousands of people because he lied.

If he didn't deliver that speech, they would have found someone else to do it (and he would have been fired). The responsibility lies with Bush and Cheney, not with the messenger.

Just because your boss will find someone else to do it doesn’t absolve you of responsibility for participating in their bad actions.

Re: Colin Powell has died

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Colin Powell is a textbook case of "A thousand 'Atta-boys!' and one fuck-up!".

He joined the Army in the 1950s, served through 2 tours in Vietnam, and made it all the way to Chairman of the Joint Chiefs by the end of the 1980s, leading the military through Operation Desert Storm and the post-Soviet era. That's a rare career for ANY American, let alone a black one.

But all that went "poof!" after his shameful performance at the UN in 2003. Agreed that he should have resigned in protest instead. What an ignoble reputational end to an otherwise amazing role model. RIP Sir.

Re: Colin Powell has died

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post #8

I won't understand respect for someone who was reponsible for the deaths of 100s of thousands of people because he lied.

If he didn't deliver that speech, they would have found someone else to do it (and he would have been fired). The responsibility lies with Bush and Cheney, not with the messenger.

"They would have found someone else to do it" is not and never has been a defense for evil, especially at this magnitude.

Someone else could have been the messenger, and Powell could have also resigned in protest and become a whistleblower.

Instead he lied, deceived the public, and unequivocally supported the wars.

Re: Colin Powell has died

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post #8

I won't understand respect for someone who was reponsible for the deaths of 100s of thousands of people because he lied.

If he didn't deliver that speech, they would have found someone else to do it (and he would have been fired). The responsibility lies with Bush and Cheney, not with the messenger.

That argument didn't fly for people at a similar level of authority at Nuremberg.

Re: Colin Powell has died

#27
post #8

I won't understand respect for someone who was reponsible for the deaths of 100s of thousands of people because he lied.

If he didn't deliver that speech, they would have found someone else to do it (and he would have been fired). The responsibility lies with Bush and Cheney, not with the messenger.

The point is, after a while of getting told "No, I'm not going down in history as that guy. You set up optics that disincentivize doubling down on the poor behavior, whereas capitulation only reinforces it.

Re: Colin Powell has died

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Imagine if he had resigned in protest at the decision to push for the invasion of Iraq. He would now be hailed as a hero around the world. Instead, he didn’t. What a waste of an exceptional career.

No one who was against the Iraq War from the onset is doing particularly well. When was the last time you heard anything from Phil Donahue?

Are we evaluating the wisdom and virtue of people's actions based on whether they keep them in the limelight? Just because your protest won't necessarily win out doesn't mean you shouldn't mount one.
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