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Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by lm28469 »

jikbd wrote: post #7
difosfor wrote: post #4

Good riddance

Yeah… who are the owners of a flat to decide what to do with it, eh?

Ownership isn't freedom to do whatever you want whenever you want, this is a first grade take on the topic.

Laws are voted for the interest of the community (ie. country) by elected officials (elected by the people), ownership, freedoms, &c. exist within these boundaries, or as a smart person put it a long time ago: "Obedience to the law one has prescribed for oneself is freedom". It's always a battle of individual gains vs collective good, if we wanted to live like egoists cavemen we wouldn't have build organised societies.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by saddlerustle »

bartread wrote: post #35
saddlerustle wrote: post #8

If I were a western city, I would simply build enough housing for residents and visitors.

I don't especially mind tourists in moderate numbers - after all, from time to time, I play the tourist myself. However, I live and work in Cambridge, and if we were to put what you suggest into practice the city would become an absolutely intolerable place to be for everyone. AirBnb may or may not be a big problem here but, if it is, it's a subset of a bigger problem: buy to let. I'd like to see buy to let severely…

Buy to let has no effect on housing prices as long as rental yields are low.

If the problem is tourism: ban tourists from the city. It doesn't make sense to ban short-term rentals but continue to build hotels and run advertising campaigns promoting tourism to Amsterdam

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Post by VBprogrammer »

gerikson wrote: post #18
jikbd wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah… who are the owners of a flat to decide what to do with it, eh?

A flat owner is not an atomic actor. If you purchase a flat, it's under the implicit assumption that you or your family will be the only ones occupying it. I live in Sweden and most "condo" associations (bostadsrätt) have rules regarding short-term hires and subletting. I imagine it is the same in the Netherlands.

In the UK at least, the expectation would be 50/50 that you are buying to let.

However, a six month minimum rental period is very different from having new neighbors every weekend.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by lm28469 »

jikbd wrote: post #39
this-pony wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea... who are the neighbors of those flats to decide to protest loud and rude tourists that disturb the piece and quiet of their homes, eh?

We already have laws against that.

And now we have a new law, I'm sure people were upset about the night time disturbances laws too

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by rsj_hn »

bartread wrote: post #35
saddlerustle wrote: post #8

If I were a western city, I would simply build enough housing for residents and visitors.

I don't especially mind tourists in moderate numbers - after all, from time to time, I play the tourist myself. However, I live and work in Cambridge, and if we were to put what you suggest into practice the city would become an absolutely intolerable place to be for everyone. AirBnb may or may not be a big problem here but, if it is, it's a subset of a bigger problem: buy to let. I'd like to see buy to let severely…

> buy to let. I'd like to see buy to let severely curtailed within the city, as it's certainly driving up already high prices.

I'm familiar with the argument that AirBnB reduces rental stock by devoting it to tourism. But I rarely encounter someone who is mad that more rental stock is being added.

Wouldn't you want rental prices to fall by increasing the availability of rental stock? Is a big gap between the cost of renting and the cost of owning a good thing?

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Post by Ekaros »

bartread wrote: post #35
saddlerustle wrote: post #8

If I were a western city, I would simply build enough housing for residents and visitors.

I don't especially mind tourists in moderate numbers - after all, from time to time, I play the tourist myself. However, I live and work in Cambridge, and if we were to put what you suggest into practice the city would become an absolutely intolerable place to be for everyone. AirBnb may or may not be a big problem here but, if it is, it's a subset of a bigger problem: buy to let. I'd like to see buy to let severely…

I really see no issues with buy to let if supply is sufficiently high. Sad reality is that building new units is too expensive. Realistically, real estate should not be very good investment. Maybe it should generate 1-2% a net per year and in 50-100 year timeframe depreciate to zero.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

sumedh wrote: post #40
cyberpsybin wrote: post #17

Good. Another scam american corporation folding on first legislation to benefit common people.

What makes it a scam?

Providing a service without following the laws. In this case, a hotel booking site without hotels.

It's like uber, a taxi service without drivers/cars.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

majjam wrote: post #11
saddlerustle wrote: post #8

If I were a western city, I would simply build enough housing for residents and visitors.

No you cant, there isn't any room.

That's why we MADE room: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flevoland

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

djbebs wrote: post #3

Shame that local councils are once again meddling in things they have no business being in.

This libertarian idealism does not work in practice. I mean look up what a local council does and what they 'meddle' in, then think about what would happen if they stopped 'meddling'.

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Post by Brave-Steak »

re-actor wrote: post #14
djbebs wrote: post #3

Shame that local councils are once again meddling in things they have no business being in.

Zoning and regulating housing is like exactly what their "business" is in.

Whenever I see a comment like his, I wonder what they think local governments (or governments in general) actually do.
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