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1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by clairity »

pandaman wrote: post #155
clairity wrote: post #95

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you've got the importances inverted. letting companies do as they please is no way to run a society. people first, then companies. it's this sort of inversion that's gotten us into the mess of a society we're facing now.

If you hired landscapers to mow your lawn and they refuse to do so because they spotted political banners on the aforementioned lawn they don't approve, what's going to happen? Forget the reason, what's going to happen if you hired somebody and that person did not show up to work? Same thing with the companies, they hire people to do work just like people hire other people. If hired people don't want to work - that's…

that’s a false equivalence. employment law recognizes the difference between contracting (many-to-many) and employment (many-to-one) and the power and leverage therein. it’s simplistic takes like this that derail genuine and productive discussion.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by clairity »

bawolff wrote: post #161
clairity wrote: post #139

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so coercive tactics by companies against employees is ok but not the reverse? again, that’s a perverse inversion, against the common interests of society at large. corporations are chartered by the government as a means to direct their efforts toward the common good. they’re not natural entities, and we should be way more willing to revoke those charters for the betterment of society.

I'm not sure what you are responding to in my comment. I don't think i said anything of the sort. If an individual employee doesn't like their job, they should quit and find a different one. If a large portion don't like it, then a labour dispute is one possible way to try and resolve the situation.

i may have read too much into it, as it seemed to be making the same trite argument (that many others are making) that the employees should just quit, as their only recourse.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by pandaman »

clairity wrote: post #181
pandaman wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you hired landscapers to mow your lawn and they refuse to do so because they spotted political banners on the aforementioned lawn they don't approve, what's going to happen? Forget the reason, what's going to happen if you hired somebody and that person did not show up to work? Same thing with the companies, they hire people to do work just like people hire other people. If hired people don't want to work - that's…

that’s a false equivalence. employment law recognizes the difference between contracting (many-to-many) and employment (many-to-one) and the power and leverage therein. it’s simplistic takes like this that derail genuine and productive discussion.

Is employment law forbidding firing people who did not show up to work? If it does not then you are trying to make a false equivalence, not I.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by andreskytt »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #42
sxp wrote: post #12

For those who haven't seen the special, the core of the controversy appears to be Chappelle mourning his friend, Daphne Dorman. She was a transgender standup comedian who opened for Chappelle and defended his comedy against the Twitter mob. She killed herself shortly after she was canceled by the mob and Chappelle set up a trust fund for her daughter. Chappelle paid tribute to her in his special, but he did it in an…

The only positive mainstream review I’ve seen of his special was not all that positive, but that it was really a Rorschach test for your political leanings. What are the chances not one mainstream outlet had a positive review, was it really that unfunny? He makes jokes about Jews, and Blacks, and Whites, that are completely overshadowed by Twitter (which is not a real place) claiming it was entirely anti-trans. No on…

Mainstream media is very cautious about causing a mass exodus of their customers. That’s why this whole thing is scary: a random group of people, easy to ignite deliberately, can shift what many people see or hear. That’s scary.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by tonfreed »

arthurcolle wrote: post #2

If you don't like the company's decisions, you should stop working for the company - easy enough. I feel like the social justice brigade needs to seriously lighten up - maybe don't watch content that sets you off so easily? Just like everyone has had to do since.. the invention of television and other broadcast media?

You seem to be under the impression they actually watched it.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by abandonliberty »

birthday wrote: post #176
empthought wrote: post #121

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Just because you disagree with someone — even about something as fundamental as the nature of their personal identity —doesn’t mean you’re bigoted or “phobic.” My mom believes she has an immortal soul that is redeemed by Jesus Christ whose body and blood are present in the Eucharist. I disagree. Does this make me a soulphobe who hates Catholics?

It doesn't, but the social virus that is wokeism labels you as phobic and will make you PAY for being one. Wokeness is a nasty social virus that has infected the USA, and it slowly but surely is causing the USA to implode.

It's just bullying. "Wokeism" gives bullies the opportunity to bully in socially acceptable ways. Note the comments in this thread defending the mobs.

If wokeism wasn't around, they'd find something else to oppress people. Ironically, these people would've been _great_ racists in a different time.

The problem is bullying. I don't know why it's so hard for people to recognize when they agree with the bully, but these sorts of tactics are never acceptable.

It's incredibly damaging to the cause of social justice. These assholes become the de-facto voice/face of the movement they claim to support, and destroy it.

"Woke" white bullies took over the movement, and are once again telling minorities what's good for them and how they should feel, all while alienating any potential converts. It's actually pretty darkly, depressingly hilarious.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danabrownlee/2021/04/19/why-whi...

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by busymom0 »

atonse wrote: post #92
busymom0 wrote: post #50

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There’s thousands of skits about brown, black, white, asian, men, women and every other diversity box possible which everyone has loved laughing at for forever and continues to do so till this date. If one can’t stand jokes against their diversity box, then they aren’t seeking equality, they are seeking supremacy.

I know at least Indians LOVED Russell Peters in the 2000s precisely because he made such funny jokes about us that (this is what makes a lot of comedy great) were relatable. Most of us laughed along with everyone else.

Yep, same here. There's a good interview of Russell Peters with Jordan Peterson where Russell talks about how whenever he would visit some country for his show, he would visit their local places to get a feel of what the people were like so that he could joke about it. That made him more relatable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRGkr0LGZDA

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by raverbashing »

SlowRobotAhead wrote: post #101
raverbashing wrote: post #88

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Agreed, as in a lot of times comedy is used as a fake excuse to get out of something that intended to offend. If the main point was critique with comedy, sure, it makes sense to see through it.

“ Ful ofte in game a sooth I have herd saye!” (Many a true word is spoken in jest) Accredited to Chaucer

Of course. That's my second point there.

But you can't just say "F You!" and say it's a joke. It's not a "free for all" card.

It has to at least try to be funny

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by busymom0 »

SantalBlush wrote: post #117
busymom0 wrote: post #50

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There’s thousands of skits about brown, black, white, asian, men, women and every other diversity box possible which everyone has loved laughing at for forever and continues to do so till this date. If one can’t stand jokes against their diversity box, then they aren’t seeking equality, they are seeking supremacy.

What are you replying to? I'm not talking about whether or not it's okay to make fun of trans people. I'm saying the bit about Chappelle's friend was one of the least offensive parts of the special, and it's not the part that some people are taking issue with. I didn't even express my feelings about offensive comedy in my comment, you just inferred that because you have some axe to grind about the subject. For the re…

I am sorry, my comment wasn't specifically against your comment. My comment was a general reply to your comment. That's why I used the word "one" instead of "you".

I was simply stating that trans being offended by jokes while also wanting "equality" is impossible. Wasn't attacking your comment.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by clairity »

pandaman wrote: post #183
clairity wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that’s a false equivalence. employment law recognizes the difference between contracting (many-to-many) and employment (many-to-one) and the power and leverage therein. it’s simplistic takes like this that derail genuine and productive discussion.

Is employment law forbidding firing people who did not show up to work? If it does not then you are trying to make a false equivalence, not I.

unions and strikes are legal. seriously, triteness isn’t helping here.
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