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This is a Chesterton's Fence situation. Suddenly the .NET foundation is receiving lots of spotlight on its flaws but one needs to understand the historical progression of the organization. Miguel speaks this clearly: > The transition from the old model to the new model was a major concession from Microsoft The current .NET Foundation is an improvement on what existed before. Is it independent? Not completely, but .NE…
I fundamentally do not understand why the .NET foundation exists, and what members gain from joining it. Would someone mind explaining that?
The .NET community largely grew up having a "source of truth" for best practice, architecture, etc. Microsoft shaped not just the language, but the culture around the language, having vast influence on how people learnt the language, the processes on how they worked and naturally used this to push MS technologies. MS tried to own the whole stack, and thus they had libraries and frameworks for much of what you would t…
.NET has today more funding in Microsoft than ever (this is a gut feeling from seeing the things they move).
The argument Project being part of the foundation equals de-facto is not correct. I think there is zero evidence for that. It is however often the other way around, that successful projects fold into the foundation because of it being the de facto foundation and no other foundation has strong ties to .NET
I fundamentally do not understand why the .NET foundation exists, and what members gain from joining it. Would someone mind explaining that?
I think one of the big things is that Microsoft associates its name with the projects. It seemed to me at the time it was a nod towards enterprises to encourage them to use open source libraries that were mature and trustworthy and that it was unlikely Microsoft themselves would build something in the same space.
In the first comment, Miguel explains the setup of the .NET Foundation combining Microsoft and Gnome.
No, he explains that the structure of the .NET foundation was based on the structure of the Gnome Foundation, with concessions to Microsoft. Gnome and the Gnome foundation were not involved. They're just the model he used when planning how the .NET foundation should work.
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Hey, thanks for your answers. I wasn’t trying to engage in whataboutism, I was trying to find out, as a developer who wants to learn a truly community-driven language/technology without any corporate overlords, what my options are. I’ve looked into Go, but a part of me feels like I’m trading one corporation for another. The languages I think of as strongly community-driven: python, ruby, and javascript, are all dynam…
Zig seems to fit your criteria: https://ziglang.org/
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Do you remember Microsoft of the 90s?
I do. That one was much much worse than the one today, I grant you. But also, I've been around long enough to know why; if you think it's because Microsoft "grew a heart" or somesuch nonsense, I bet you also believe that hotels stopped doing small prepackaged bottles of shampoo and cleaning the sheets nightly because they care about the environment. Microsoft warmed to open source because THEY LOST. Their software wa…
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It's a front for Microsoft proprietary software money to participate in open source communities and ecosystems in an effort to gain prominence and control in those cultures, same as their purchase of GitHub and NPM. AFAIK ~all of the people who work there are on the Microsoft concentration-camp-money payroll.
Miguel worked on open-source for decades before joining Microsoft. The snide Godwin comment at the end doesn’t belong on HN.
That's the problem with languages managed by big corps I always found peace with community driven projects D, Zig, Odin, way more healthily and organic communities
That's the problem with languages managed by big corps I always found peace with community driven projects D, Zig, Odin, way more healthily and organic communities
And an almost inexisting ecosystem by comparison.
for some people C interop is more than enough
for some people they like to integrate the said language as scripting language
for some people it's something else
i feel some people miss the point, completly
your favorite X language backed by corporate will be replaced tomorow by what ever is more shiny
look at the list of dead languages that were once backed by IBM, Apple, Microsoft etc etc etc
Community driven projects are different, they don't exist to become irrelevant depending on what management has to say
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> So how is what Microsoft is doing with .NET any different than what Google is doing with Go and Oracle with Java Who said it was? > Is this people unfairly hating on Microsoft for being Microsoft? I don't think so, and Oracle gets pounded on for everything, including what they do with Java, too. Google may be better with Go, or maybe people are cutting them undeserved slack. Not really relevant to the discussion of…
Hey, thanks for your answers. I wasn’t trying to engage in whataboutism, I was trying to find out, as a developer who wants to learn a truly community-driven language/technology without any corporate overlords, what my options are. I’ve looked into Go, but a part of me feels like I’m trading one corporation for another. The languages I think of as strongly community-driven: python, ruby, and javascript, are all dynam…