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Re: An underwater mystery on Canada's coast

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Post by vmception »

jimnotgym wrote: post #14
dsomers wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is kind of debatable through, sure there are national laws, and even EU wide laws. However, Germany has its states, Berlin has different laws than Hamburg for certain things, same as Italy and Spain have their regions with various levels of autonomy. Every municipality all over Europe has control of some of its local laws, too. We don’t just have one European wide law, or even German wide law for every aspect of…

Just like every county in the US can have different laws. An example might be sales tax rates in Florida. Maybe the top poster should say that the map of North America should be dotted with micro-states like the USA (maybe even like Canada, I don't know) That way it wouldn't sound like an American trying to paint Europe as some kind of parochial backwater of medieval fiefdoms.

> trying to paint Europe as some kind of parochial backwater of medieval fiefdoms

no idea how you got "parochial backwater" from "microstate", it bothers you way more than it should

some of the most impressive, highly developed, secular, constitutional republics are microstates. whatever you associate the word with is not what I associate the word with.

Re: An underwater mystery on Canada's coast

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Post by vmception »

Kluny wrote: post #57
angelzen wrote: post #11

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Sure, but not every small town has a distinct language and distinct set of laws. The OP talks about "food security for an estimated 10,000-12,000 K'ómoks People", unclear that the K'ómoks ethnic group was much larger than 10k. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%27%C3%B3moks

On Vancouver island where the Komoks people lived, there certainly was a distinct language and culture and possibly laws for probably half a dozen or more groups. On the island alone, I (a white person), know of the Songhees, Lekwungen, Tsartslip, Tsawout, Wsanec, Cowichan, Pacheedaht, Ucluelet, and Homalco nations. All those are local to the island and have their own languages and traditions. Point being that there…

Regarding your disclaimer, wouldn't it be more apt to say "someone with no Komoks blood" or "a white person that also has no First Nation lineage" the latter if you also want the affect of your disclaimer. I'm thinking its a pretty distinctly North American experience for people of any color to have some First Nation/indigenous/local heritage. At least for the black and white people that have been here for 200-600 years.

this is more so curiosity than a correction.

Re: An underwater mystery on Canada's coast

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Post by angelzen »

mizzao wrote: post #45
sandworm101 wrote: post #12

Local reporting with much better pictures, diagrams and even a locally-produced podcast. https://www.hakaimagazine.com/features/the-ingenious-ancient...

Great article. It strikes me that this system of fishing is far more efficient and environmentally sustainable than the ocean-going ships we use these days. After all, here the fish just come to you!

Fish traps have been in use all around the world for millennia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_trap

Re: An underwater mystery on Canada's coast

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Post by ncmncm »

angelzen wrote: post #63
mizzao wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great article. It strikes me that this system of fishing is far more efficient and environmentally sustainable than the ocean-going ships we use these days. After all, here the fish just come to you!

Fish traps have been in use all around the world for millennia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_trap

Fish traps are common. Sea gardens, less so.

Re: An underwater mystery on Canada's coast

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Post by anitil »

vmception wrote: post #3

Reading this and the talk about how “surprising” it is reminds me of how I’ve been researching British Columbia’s relationship with First Nations people, and this research extended to other people in the Pacific Northwest under the US system. My takeaway is that everything about this is heavily misunderstood. As CPG Grey also concluded, the entire concept is overinclusive, to its detriment. As we squabble between ter…

Do you think that documentary series will ever happen?

Re: An underwater mystery on Canada's coast

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Post by vmception »

anitil wrote: post #65
vmception wrote: post #3

Reading this and the talk about how “surprising” it is reminds me of how I’ve been researching British Columbia’s relationship with First Nations people, and this research extended to other people in the Pacific Northwest under the US system. My takeaway is that everything about this is heavily misunderstood. As CPG Grey also concluded, the entire concept is overinclusive, to its detriment. As we squabble between ter…

Do you think that documentary series will ever happen?

no. I think his initial research is what is necessary and, at best, he can do a video summary and focus on one or two specific recognized groups living on reservations. This topic goes deep. His whole thing is picking a mundane small feature of society and expounding on that to make it interesting, and the reality is that each indigenous culture should have many of those things to dive into, no different than how the UK or the Solar System has many different things to dive into (the inspiration for many of his other research videos). But trying to do a broader series on cultures in North America has far too much depth, unless he pivots to that. I'm sure its on his backburner, but I'm also sure he's too far ahead of the culture on this one.

Re: An underwater mystery on Canada's coast

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Post by jkepler »

dsomers wrote: post #9
angelzen wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe is far from being dotted with microstates. There are a handful of relics, but most of Europe has been unified under some larger nation state. For a historical perspective, a political map of pre-1800 Germany with 'up to 350 states': https://twitter.com/weird_hist/status/1260451732221542400

This is kind of debatable through, sure there are national laws, and even EU wide laws. However, Germany has its states, Berlin has different laws than Hamburg for certain things, same as Italy and Spain have their regions with various levels of autonomy. Every municipality all over Europe has control of some of its local laws, too. We don’t just have one European wide law, or even German wide law for every aspect of…

> Every municipality all over Europe has control of some of its local laws, too.

Unless I'm mistaken, that's not true in France. Its a unitary state, where each region and commune is simply an administrative subunit of the state. That's why the French government was able to reorganize its regions at the start of January 2016.

By comparison, that would be illegal in the USA for the federal government do combine North and South Carolina, or to reunite West Virginia to Virginia. They're not administrative units of one government, but are actually separate governments.

Re: An underwater mystery on Canada's coast

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Post by mattowen_uk »

quesera wrote: post #58
mattowen_uk wrote: post #56

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Yeah maybe I was hyperbolic in my wording, but in my defense, most of the articles DO read like an AI hacked them together.

> BBC News articles are mostly now written by AI pulling from other newsfeeds. ...bold assertion challenged... > Yeah maybe I was hyperbolic in my wording, but in my defense, most of the articles DO read like an AI hacked them together. That's really not OK. Your first comment was not written as an opinion or speculation.

Since when are you the comment police ? ;)

Re: An underwater mystery on Canada's coast

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Post by quesera »

mattowen_uk wrote: post #68
quesera wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> BBC News articles are mostly now written by AI pulling from other newsfeeds. ...bold assertion challenged... > Yeah maybe I was hyperbolic in my wording, but in my defense, most of the articles DO read like an AI hacked them together. That's really not OK. Your first comment was not written as an opinion or speculation.

Since when are you the comment police ? ;)

We are all the comment police. ;)

Unsubstantiated accusations deserve to be called out. Sometimes downvoting is not enough.

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