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Post by empthought »

bawolff wrote: post #114
hresvelgr wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we want to talk about moral virtue, actions speak louder than words. Dave, by the sounds of it was a kind and gracious friend to Daphne and this was corroborated by her family. He offered her to open for him in a club as well, a great opportunity given his tenure as a comedian. In addition, upon hearing of her passing, setup a trust for her daughter. The twitter mob on the other hand tried to have her cancelled af…

I don't support internet mobs - they generally seem to hurt innocent people (or hurt the guilty in excess of what they deserve) - but i don't see those two as mutually exclusive. Presumably the twitter mob is mad (rightly or wrongly - i havent watched the special) about transphobia by Dave in general. It is entirely possible that Dave could be a great friend to Daphne and be transphobic at the same time. You can be f…

Just because you disagree with someone — even about something as fundamental as the nature of their personal identity —doesn’t mean you’re bigoted or “phobic.”

My mom believes she has an immortal soul that is redeemed by Jesus Christ whose body and blood are present in the Eucharist. I disagree. Does this make me a soulphobe who hates Catholics?

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Post by bawolff »

clairity wrote: post #95
bko wrote: post #79

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> They work at FAANG. Pretty sure they'll be able to get new jobs very quickly I think companies are acutely aware and growingly suspicious of employee activism. Would you want to hire an activist for your organization? It would be a red flag to me as the activist employees could second guess any decisions made at any level of the organization and work to organize to cause a disruption. It's just not an effective way…

you've got the importances inverted. letting companies do as they please is no way to run a society. people first, then companies. it's this sort of inversion that's gotten us into the mess of a society we're facing now.

People can speak from the perspective of what companies need/want without neccesarily implying anything about what is best for society overall.

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Post by rsj_hn »

bawolff wrote: post #105
bko wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They work at FAANG. Pretty sure they'll be able to get new jobs very quickly I think companies are acutely aware and growingly suspicious of employee activism. Would you want to hire an activist for your organization? It would be a red flag to me as the activist employees could second guess any decisions made at any level of the organization and work to organize to cause a disruption. It's just not an effective way…

Given the current job market and political climate in tech, i find it hard to believe that a high skill employee would be passed over because they attended a pro-trans protest/walk-stoppage along with thousand other people. I don't think most people would even consider such a person to be an activist employee. The person who leaked confidential data - yes, i could see that being a red flag in hiring.

It's really tough to find good people, but for 500K FAANG jobs, there's still a long line of applicants.

I don't think we've reached the state (yet) where firms are going to be keeping blacklists of activists.

But we're certainly heading in that direction as techies try to force employers into more extreme stances. Dave Chappelle is a popular guy with broad mainstream appeal, and it's incredibly arrogant for Netflix employees to try to deplatform him, or to try to dictate what Netflix, a company with a global reach, can show to a worldwide audience.

And I think we are going to see some mass firings and circulation of blacklists in at least some of the FAANGS before people wake up and realize they are no longer in college protesting some speaker they think makes them "unsafe". For these types of salaries, some professionalism is expected, and long term employers will demand it.

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Post by dragonwriter »

m0zg wrote: post #119
Gortal278 wrote: post #61

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Did you watch the movie? Or cancel based on headline reading/twitter comments?

I don't need to watch 11 year old girls crotches to find sexualization of prepubescent children strongly objectionable.

If you haven't watched it, on what basis do you assert that the characterization of it as “sexualization of prepubescent children” is at all valid?

I haven't watched it, and have no specific opinion, but I certainly do know that many times when I’ve seen characterization of objectionable content in media it wasn't supported by a reasonable viewing of the media.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by pvm3 »

If anyone else is wondering, the 1k number reported comes from a source[1] not directly linked in this article.

[1]: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/netflix-d...

> "At least one thousand Netflix employees are expected to participate in a virtual walkout to protest Netflix co-CEO Ted Sarandos’ recent comments in support of Dave Chappelle’s latest special, The Closer, according to a current staffer who spoke with The Hollywood Reporter."

This should probably be the main article linked in this thread.

Anyways according to wikipedia Netflix has just over 12k employees, so 1k+ walkout would be 8%+ walkout which would be pretty significant.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by acdha »

analognoise wrote: post #100
acdha wrote: post #70

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I find it interesting that you use inflammatory language like “cancelled by the mob” while copying terminology and unsupported theories that tabloids like the Daily Mail use to incite outrage and mob-like reactions of their own. She committed suicide after what appears to be a troubled life, months after being criticized by other members of the trans community on Twitter. Unless you have some special knowledge of her…

It was six days after being dragged by Trans Twitter, according to Dave. Why engage with the jackals who drive one of their own to suicide and claim to have a negative opinion but won't watch the special? Why give them any special treatment?

Most of the stories point to this August 29th tweet:

https://twitter.com/DaphneDorman/status/1166937728681791488

Maybe that dragged on, maybe there’s some private messages he heard about which aren’t public but the main point was simply that it seems like a politically convenient stretch to state with certainty that the blame goes entirely to an undefined “mob” rather than any of the other factors her friends and family acknowledge. I don’t love mob tactics but to be honest that read more like an an attempt to stir up a reactionary mob rather than calm things down.

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Post by SlowRobotAhead »

lkey wrote: post #67
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #42

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The only positive mainstream review I’ve seen of his special was not all that positive, but that it was really a Rorschach test for your political leanings. What are the chances not one mainstream outlet had a positive review, was it really that unfunny? He makes jokes about Jews, and Blacks, and Whites, that are completely overshadowed by Twitter (which is not a real place) claiming it was entirely anti-trans. No on…

More black trans women were violently murdered in 2020 than in any other year since HRC began tracking. https://www.hrc.org/resources/fatal-violence-against-the-tra... 2021 is looking to surpass that... Part of his criticism was centered around how the 'alphabet people' have made rapid strides, but that conveniently forgets that black people can be gay or trans too, and also haven't made the same gains white LGBTQ fo…

That list of murdered trans people is awful.

I wonder why only two I could find were trans men, and almost all were in large cities? Is it that much safer to be a trans man than a trans woman?

It’s a shame there isn’t any details at all around the circumstances of their deaths. I wonder if that could have relevant content at all?

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Post by krainboltgreene »

bko wrote: post #107
clairity wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you've got the importances inverted. letting companies do as they please is no way to run a society. people first, then companies. it's this sort of inversion that's gotten us into the mess of a society we're facing now.

I disagree. You need strong leadership in an organization. You can't run an organization with 10k employees where any employee can hold you hostage and refuse to work if they disagree with any decision made.

Literally every steel mill worked this way for quite a long time and did just fine.

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Post by bawolff »

empthought wrote: post #121
bawolff wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't support internet mobs - they generally seem to hurt innocent people (or hurt the guilty in excess of what they deserve) - but i don't see those two as mutually exclusive. Presumably the twitter mob is mad (rightly or wrongly - i havent watched the special) about transphobia by Dave in general. It is entirely possible that Dave could be a great friend to Daphne and be transphobic at the same time. You can be f…

Just because you disagree with someone — even about something as fundamental as the nature of their personal identity —doesn’t mean you’re bigoted or “phobic.” My mom believes she has an immortal soul that is redeemed by Jesus Christ whose body and blood are present in the Eucharist. I disagree. Does this make me a soulphobe who hates Catholics?

If you publicly rediculed her when she was just trying to mind her own business, i'd go with yes.

[I'm not making any comment on how right the twitter mob is. Haven't seen the commedy special, no idea what's said in it]

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by empthought »

SlowRobotAhead wrote: post #127
lkey wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More black trans women were violently murdered in 2020 than in any other year since HRC began tracking. https://www.hrc.org/resources/fatal-violence-against-the-tra... 2021 is looking to surpass that... Part of his criticism was centered around how the 'alphabet people' have made rapid strides, but that conveniently forgets that black people can be gay or trans too, and also haven't made the same gains white LGBTQ fo…

That list of murdered trans people is awful. I wonder why only two I could find were trans men, and almost all were in large cities? Is it that much safer to be a trans man than a trans woman? It’s a shame there isn’t any details at all around the circumstances of their deaths. I wonder if that could have relevant content at all?

The majority were killed by their partners, who were of course not at all radical feminists.
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