Live data from Hacker News

1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

thinkcivics.com

71–80 of 234 posts

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

#71
post #18

Unpopular opinion on hn here but Dave's trans skit hinges on his audience not knowing enough about trans people for him to get away with creative character assassination. He openly condemns their argument against Rowling as goal-posting make believe and in doing so lends his approval to her documented and open transphobia. If anything it should be an indictment of how he treats his audience in 2021. There are plenty…

Perhaps JK made some genuinely hurtful comments I'm unaware of, but given the ones that were quoted in a pearl-clutching context I'll believe that iff I see it. There is a school of thought that seeks to treat all trans-gendered or gender dysphoric people as a monolithic group who have only one correct course of action. The irony of that, given what gay-rights activists were working for within living memory, is so sharp as to be painful.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

#72
post #38

Its really tough being a comedian. Generally, in society there are lines drawn over which you must not cross. Comedians typically get to push those boundaries under the guise of comedy or free-thinking or equal-opportunity racism or bigotry. Generally, I am totally supportive of that as it is thought-provoking and conversation inducing. It's better to bring uncomfortable subjects out into the open and make fun of the…

> Let the free-markets determine who should be cancelled.

What would that look like though?

I think there's a somewhat valid conversation to be had about cancel culture, but this point comes up over and over, and I'm constantly wondering: if people criticizing speech in public places like Twitter isn't the free market, and Netflix employees collectively advocating that they don't want to host the speech isn't the free market, and if users boycotting or voting with their wallets isn't the free market, and if advertisers pushing for higher standards on the platforms they're advertising on isn't the free market, and if platform-holders and publishers deciding what content they want to promote isn't the free market, then what is the free market?

When we talk about cancel culture, a lot of the mechanisms of canceling use free market actions; freedom of association, the right to criticize, the right to filter and to share filters with other people, the right to choose how we spend our money and time. And it's valid to look at the free market of speech and say that sometimes it's overly harsh or that it censors the wrong people or that it can be intolerant, but I don't see how it's possible to simultaneously say that the marketplace of ideas is the correct way to sort out good and bad speech, and also that people being mean on Twitter or calling for boycotts is fundamentally the wrong way to tackle conflict.

What do people think the marketplace of ideas is, and how should it act? When the marketplace of ideas deems an idea unpopular or bad, should it still be given equal weight and equal investment and promotion alongside other ideas, even though the marketplace doesn't want it?

That's not how the real economic marketplace works; in the economic marketplace if you can't convince people to buy your product, then your company dies and investors stop giving you money and putting you on store shelves. Nobody says that it's a violation of the free market if people badmouth a company online and stores stop carrying their products as a result. Nobody argues that I'm "canceling" Facebook when I tell people to stop using it, or when I argue that Facebook's future VR products are likely to be bad just by virtue of being made by Facebook.

What's different about the marketplace of ideas? Is it that Netflix has too much power and it's a pseudo-monopoly over entertainment? I can buy that argument for situations like Facebook or the Apple app store, but I don't really buy it for Netflix.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

#73

Does anyone know what the demands are? Very confusing, it was Chapelle's final special with Netflix, and it has already aired. What would the 1k employees like?

> it has already aired. What would the 1k employees like?

They want it removed from the platform altogether

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

#74
post #12

For those who haven't seen the special, the core of the controversy appears to be Chappelle mourning his friend, Daphne Dorman. She was a transgender standup comedian who opened for Chappelle and defended his comedy against the Twitter mob. She killed herself shortly after she was canceled by the mob and Chappelle set up a trust fund for her daughter. Chappelle paid tribute to her in his special, but he did it in an…

If we want to talk about moral virtue, actions speak louder than words.

Dave, by the sounds of it was a kind and gracious friend to Daphne and this was corroborated by her family. He offered her to open for him in a club as well, a great opportunity given his tenure as a comedian. In addition, upon hearing of her passing, setup a trust for her daughter.

The twitter mob on the other hand tried to have her cancelled after she defended him because she knew that he had no ill-intent.

In my opinion, the 1K employees who are walking are doing so on the flimsiest of moral foundations. Dave has done more for Daphne and her family than any of the 1K employees or the twitter mob ever will. Moral outrage is not generous or kind to anyone, period.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

#75
post #12

For those who haven't seen the special, the core of the controversy appears to be Chappelle mourning his friend, Daphne Dorman. She was a transgender standup comedian who opened for Chappelle and defended his comedy against the Twitter mob. She killed herself shortly after she was canceled by the mob and Chappelle set up a trust fund for her daughter. Chappelle paid tribute to her in his special, but he did it in an…

Cancel culture is out of control really. That said these people have a bad reason to strike but they have to be allowed to strike and netflix has to be allowed to fire them if they want to. It's just the way free society goes. Freedom has consequences.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

#76
post #39
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What would you say if Netflix called their bluff and just fired all the people that walked out? They work at FAANG. Pretty sure they'll be able to get new jobs very quickly. I suspect people involved with work stoppages who aren't protected via a union are keenly aware of the possibility of being fired and have deemed it worth the risk. > This reminds me more of the student protests we used to see, where they wante…

> I suspect people involved with work stoppages who aren't protected via a union are keenly aware of the possibility of being fired and have deemed it worth the risk. I think you vastly overestimate the amount of forethought that humans apply when following the herd. Just look at all the Jan 6 people who are completely floored that there might be consequences to their actions.

That doesn't necessarily imply a lack of forethought. They might have seen all the leftists rioting, occupying government buildings, setting up autonomous zones, etc without consequences and thought they would receive similar treatment for behavior that was a common protest tactic in 2020.

They just didn't see the double standard coming.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

#78

Time to check for openings at Netflix. I'll gladly take their place and I'm sure that I'm not alone.

LOL, I just had the same thought. I'm not college aged anymore, or a 10x developer, but I won't whine about content and make threats, that's for sure.

1X Developer, but I won't freak out if someone says "master branch"!

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

#79
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would you say if Netflix called their bluff and just fired all the people that walked out? This reminds me more of the student protests we used to see, where they wanted to walk out of classes or miss exams but also wanted special treatment so they didn't fail the class. I've got no problem with not working at a place whose values you dont agree with, but I see this kind of action (and similar things at other te…

> What would you say if Netflix called their bluff and just fired all the people that walked out? They work at FAANG. Pretty sure they'll be able to get new jobs very quickly. I suspect people involved with work stoppages who aren't protected via a union are keenly aware of the possibility of being fired and have deemed it worth the risk. > This reminds me more of the student protests we used to see, where they wante…

> They work at FAANG. Pretty sure they'll be able to get new jobs very quickly

I think companies are acutely aware and growingly suspicious of employee activism. Would you want to hire an activist for your organization? It would be a red flag to me as the activist employees could second guess any decisions made at any level of the organization and work to organize to cause a disruption. It's just not an effective way to run a business

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

#80
post #8

"Cuties" was fine, but a stand-up skit is where they draw the line. Glad they have their priorities straightened out.

To be fair, cuties had a lot of controversy around it too. As with such matters, that's long forgotten in the world of twitter and people have moved on to the next thing. This too will pass.

I kind of got the impression the 'cuties' outrage was stealth marketing. I wonder whether this is something similar. Until I saw this story I didn't know Chapelle had a new special out, maybe this is exactly what's desired.
Post reply on HN