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Facebook is researching AI systems that see, hear, remember everything you do

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Re: Facebook is researching AI systems that see, hear, remember everything you do

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Post by nbzso »

pesenti wrote: post #39

I support Facebook AI. The actual news is that we are releasing an extensive egocentric dataset with associated tasks for the research community. Collecting such dataset in a private and responsible way is a significant challenge. Happy to answer any questions. https://ai.facebook.com/blog/teaching-ai-to-perceive-the-wor...

I support free and open web. We are in defining point in time in which a possible tech dystopia is upon us. No paycheck or "advancements" will remove the dangers and damages done by greed and machinations of few to Big to fail companies. No dataset or "business" existence is rationalization for creating a system of data-hoaridng and data exploitation.

Re: Facebook is researching AI systems that see, hear, remember everything you do

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Post by clairity »

istorical wrote: post #48
hetspookjee wrote: post #37

Sometimes I dream of a Facebook machine; e.g. the eerily creepy recommender for your next best action, but than with an objective function not to optimise the recommenders revenue (by being as effective ad seller as possible) but rather changing the objective function to optimise for health, wellbeing and happiness. Now surely it is far from trivial to define these, but atleast you can make a start somewhere: - You c…

I find it absolutely painful that our recommender ML based content discovery streams like YouTube and Tiktok and Instagram don't have multiple 'hats' you can put on and take off, in the sense of saying 'hey TikTok, I'm feeling frisky, feel free to send me those thirst trap videos now', but then 30 minutes later you can say 'OK TikTok, I know I watched a bunch of those dancing videos, but can you send me the education…

> "...in the sense of saying 'hey TikTok, I'm feeling frisky, feel free to send me those thirst trap videos now'..."

i once pitched this type of user experience (for the general case, not tiktok, which didn't exist at the time) at a hackathon competition, and it was popular enough then to win us some free stuff. the demo we hacked together was very rudimentary, but had we gotten a little further along with a proof of concept before falling apart, who knows what might have happened...

the biggest challenge was actually licensing costs and rights management, not the recommendation engine (though that was challenging too).

Re: Facebook is researching AI systems that see, hear, remember everything you do

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Post by radmuzom »

jmfldn wrote: post #11

When I read articles like this I experience a mini existential crisis that we could be heading to some very dark places technologically. I don't need to go into the reasons why it's bad. For anyone who's aware of the last 15 years of social media critique or novels like Brave New World, it's obvious that this would be a dystopia multiplier. Ad tech on steroids. If you think the manipulation is bad now just wait until…

In addition to being a "dystopia multiplier", I predict this is going to cause a lot of social problems going forward. This is what the Black Mirror episode "The Entire History of You" warned us about.

Re: Facebook is researching AI systems that see, hear, remember everything you do

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jmfldn wrote: post #11

When I read articles like this I experience a mini existential crisis that we could be heading to some very dark places technologically. I don't need to go into the reasons why it's bad. For anyone who's aware of the last 15 years of social media critique or novels like Brave New World, it's obvious that this would be a dystopia multiplier. Ad tech on steroids. If you think the manipulation is bad now just wait until…

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Re: Facebook is researching AI systems that see, hear, remember everything you do

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Post by mdoms »

pesenti wrote: post #61
Hnrobert42 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you all doing to allow those of us that don’t want to be a part of your utopia to opt out?

I encourage you to read the details of the news, in particular how the data was collected with full consent from all (something that most research datasets don’t do well). It doesn’t answer your question directly but gives you an idea on how we think about these issues. AI-powered wearables will have stringent privacy guarantees, both for the wearer and the people around.

Do you think that most people believe Facebook privacy guarantees are worth the bits they're written in?

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Post by [deleted] »

hetspookjee wrote: post #37

Sometimes I dream of a Facebook machine; e.g. the eerily creepy recommender for your next best action, but than with an objective function not to optimise the recommenders revenue (by being as effective ad seller as possible) but rather changing the objective function to optimise for health, wellbeing and happiness. Now surely it is far from trivial to define these, but atleast you can make a start somewhere: - You c…

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Re: Facebook is researching AI systems that see, hear, remember everything you do

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Post by [deleted] »

sneak wrote: post #30
01100011 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> most private p2p conversations not being logged and monitored FWIW, I think telephone company billing records have been doing this for nearly a century. Sure, it wasn't the official government policy, but the data was recorded. ECHELON has been around quite a long time as well, and that was indeed government monitoring of large amounts of international communications. I'm not trying to normalize it, just adding som…

I meant content, not metadata. Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp chat backups, iMessage chat backups (incl all geotagged photo attachments), et c.

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Re: Facebook is researching AI systems that see, hear, remember everything you do

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Post by pesenti »

mdoms wrote: post #75
pesenti wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I encourage you to read the details of the news, in particular how the data was collected with full consent from all (something that most research datasets don’t do well). It doesn’t answer your question directly but gives you an idea on how we think about these issues. AI-powered wearables will have stringent privacy guarantees, both for the wearer and the people around.

Do you think that most people believe Facebook privacy guarantees are worth the bits they're written in?

No but they should:

https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2019/07/ftc-i...

Re: Facebook is researching AI systems that see, hear, remember everything you do

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Post by KaiserPro »

mgreb wrote: post #12

Wait, are such devices even legal? Looks like walking spy-cam to me. I want to know if someone records video/takes picture of me. With this glasses you can`t tell if you are being filmed.

Yes, there is a "right to panorama" in most countries. However this dataset has been recorded with the _express permission_ of all the people involved. Which is different to the imagenet, where they just crawled a whole bunch of images and called it a day.

Second, you need to take the "Argh its facebook, boo hiss" hat off. Then apply some critical thinking. an AR world that is connected to the physical _requires_ this kind of thing. Your device need to anticipate what you are going to do so that it can work out the probability of your need and act on it. Like Jeeves, but less able, and more annoying. As its ML, it need a massive dataset to train on. this is Depending on how things are done, if facebook are first to market with a usable AR system, they will be forced to have anonymisation built in (as in remove faces at the sensor level, unless you have permission to remember). Apple will have a showy "pixelation" layer, that is mostly ineffectual, but will PR it out to make them seem like they've cured cancer. Google, if they ever manage to get back into AR will just make things cheap and let the shitty android marketplace spy on what ever they like.

You will also have to remember that the power budget of these glasses is absolutely fucking tiny. All day screen, SLAM, AI and possibly music will need to all fit in to ~2-5watt hours. This means that virtually everything will need to be on device. (dropping to the cloud eats a boat load of power.)

Now that's not to say that 100% accurate [if thats even possible] "diarisation" won't rip society apart.

There are lots of questions that need to be answered, the problem is, tech journalists are ill equipped to ask them. Most of the teams designing the glasses are well meaning, but their targets and life experience has not equipped them to do a good job at ethics.

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