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Re: It's been 42 years since 'The Hitchhiker's Guide' answered the ultimate question

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Some comment I read ages ago convinced me that the real Ultimate Question is “pick a number, any number.” The two bits of evidence for this are paraphrased below. Marvin talking to the mattress: “I’m roughly a billion times smarter than you. For example, pick a number. Any number.” Mattress: “Ummmm…seven?” Marvin: “Wrong. You see?” Arthur, while aboard the Heart of Gold, says, “I’m disappointed we never figured out t…

Except that "pick a number, any number" is not a question.

But it does require an answer.

Re: It's been 42 years since 'The Hitchhiker's Guide' answered the ultimate question

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Seen a few Ask HNs where people asked that question: `What is the meaning of life?`. Well one thing I believe is: `The meaning of life is to find meaning in life ` Another quote I live by is, by Bukowski: “Find what you love and let it kill you” – Charles Bukowski I mean it makes sense right? Many people just haven't found their passion and go round like headless chickens!

The older I get the more I feel that the point of living is experience, not meaning. The stories we make up inside our fish bowls most likely have very little to do with reality.

In a way I see experiences as a distraction, escapism, something that helps to postpone the search for meaning.

Re: It's been 42 years since 'The Hitchhiker's Guide' answered the ultimate question

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The older I get the more I feel that the point of living is experience, not meaning. The stories we make up inside our fish bowls most likely have very little to do with reality.

In a way I see experiences as a distraction, escapism, something that helps to postpone the search for meaning.

You could also make an argument that search for meaning is an escapism from experiencing life.

Re: It's been 42 years since 'The Hitchhiker's Guide' answered the ultimate question

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HHGTTG series is a perfect book to read if you are learning English as a second language. It's instantly funny, you can go back a few pages and read again.

My book starts with underlined words every few lines. I underlined words I did not know at the time I read it the first time.

Re: It's been 42 years since 'The Hitchhiker's Guide' answered the ultimate question

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a way I see experiences as a distraction, escapism, something that helps to postpone the search for meaning.

You could also make an argument that search for meaning is an escapism from experiencing life.

It's almost like there's no clear answer here.

Re: It's been 42 years since 'The Hitchhiker's Guide' answered the ultimate question

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Schopenhauer used an equation with the answer of 42 to make a metaphysical point in “The World as Will and Idea.” I suspect this is the meaning Adams had in mind:

As time has only one dimension, counting is the only arithmetical operation, to which all others may be reduced; and yet counting is just intuition or perception a priori, to which there is no hesitation in appealing here, and through which alone everything else, every sum and every equation, is ultimately proved. We prove, for example, not that (7 + 9 × 8 - 2)/3 = 42; but we refer to the pure perception in time, counting thus makes each individual problem an axiom. Instead of the demonstrations that fill geometry, the whole content of arithmetic and algebra is thus simply a method of abbreviating counting. We mentioned above that our immediate perception of numbers in time extends only to about ten. Beyond this an abstract concept of the numbers, fixed by a word, must take the place of the perception; which does not therefore actually occur any longer, but is only indicated in a thoroughly definite manner. Yet even so, by the important assistance of the system of figures which enables us to represent all larger numbers by the same small ones, intuitive or perceptive evidence of every sum is made possible, even where we make such use of abstraction that not only the numbers, but indefinite quantities and whole operations are thought only in the abstract and indicated as so thought, as [sqrt](r^b) so that we do not perform them, but merely symbolise them.

I tried to add this on Wikipedia a while ago, but was overruled by an editor.

Source: https://gutenberg.org/cache/epub/38427/pg38427-images.html

More on Schopenhauer: https://www.locserendipity.com/TitleSearch.html?q=Schopen

Re: It's been 42 years since 'The Hitchhiker's Guide' answered the ultimate question

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After hitting my 42nd birthday this year, I thought for a while that Douglas Adams had layered the joke with a bit of truth: at 42, a man is more or less confident in his skin, having lived through enough to feel somewhat unflappable; he's probably raised kids, bought a home, got a decent job, and can pretty much choose what he wants to do for the rest of his life. Hence "the answer" - the answer is to be 42. ... Ala…

You sought for meaning where there was none, and you found it. Then you lost it when you realized it was never there to begin with. I'm sure there is a lesson to be had here.

Always trust your gut even when you have irrefutable proof it’s wrong

Re: It's been 42 years since 'The Hitchhiker's Guide' answered the ultimate question

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Seen a few Ask HNs where people asked that question: `What is the meaning of life?`. Well one thing I believe is: `The meaning of life is to find meaning in life ` Another quote I live by is, by Bukowski: “Find what you love and let it kill you” – Charles Bukowski I mean it makes sense right? Many people just haven't found their passion and go round like headless chickens!

You've just moved the goalpost, now instead of people not knowing what the meaning is, you've asked them to find it.

Ok, how do you find it? Oh, we don't know again :)

The right answer to 'what is the meaning of life?' is to ask for definitions of terms. What do you mean by 'meaning'? How do you know life has or ought to have such a property, that you'd go looking for it?

In other words, the only right answer to 'when did you stop beating your wife?' is to point out that it is a loaded question aka invalid question, instead of scurrying to try and answer it :)

Meaning of life is a variation of when did you stop beating your wife. One presupposes you did beat your wife, the other presupposes there exist meaning and it is important to find.

Those are unjustified presuppositions.

Re: It's been 42 years since 'The Hitchhiker's Guide' answered the ultimate question

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post #65
post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could also make an argument that search for meaning is an escapism from experiencing life.

It's almost like there's no clear answer here.

“The purpose of life is not to be [superficially] happy. It is to be useful, to be honorable, to be compassionate, to have it make some difference that you have lived and lived well.” - R.W. Emerson

“Many persons have a wrong idea of what constitutes true happiness. It is not attained through self-gratification, but through fidelity to a worthy purpose.” – Helen Keller

“Through love alone can man find the kingdom of heaven for which he has sought since his beginnings. Only through living love as a principle can he find the happiness, peace and prosperity which lie in his heart as the greatest of his desires.” - Walter Russell

Re: It's been 42 years since 'The Hitchhiker's Guide' answered the ultimate question

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Seen a few Ask HNs where people asked that question: `What is the meaning of life?`. Well one thing I believe is: `The meaning of life is to find meaning in life ` Another quote I live by is, by Bukowski: “Find what you love and let it kill you” – Charles Bukowski I mean it makes sense right? Many people just haven't found their passion and go round like headless chickens!

You've just moved the goalpost, now instead of people not knowing what the meaning is, you've asked them to find it. Ok, how do you find it? Oh, we don't know again :) The right answer to 'what is the meaning of life?' is to ask for definitions of terms. What do you mean by 'meaning'? How do you know life has or ought to have such a property, that you'd go looking for it? In other words, the only right answer to 'whe…

knowledge - https://wikischool.org/human_life
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