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Facebook is researching AI systems that see, hear, remember everything you do

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Re: Facebook is researching AI systems that see, hear, remember everything you do

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

hetspookjee wrote: post #37

Sometimes I dream of a Facebook machine; e.g. the eerily creepy recommender for your next best action, but than with an objective function not to optimise the recommenders revenue (by being as effective ad seller as possible) but rather changing the objective function to optimise for health, wellbeing and happiness. Now surely it is far from trivial to define these, but atleast you can make a start somewhere: - You c…

Unfortunately I think we live in a society where the people who could use this the most are the people least able to afford the costs of such a service.

Re: Facebook is researching AI systems that see, hear, remember everything you do

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Post by goldenkey »

It's so strange how everytime I get a Facebook link from someone, it requires me to login to read more than 1/4 of it ( and it's cut off just at the right place to entice ) and then before I know it, I'm looking at a bunch of silly unread notifications and terribleness in my feed. It's strange, like a realizing I was hypnotized for a second. I immediately log out and close the window as I snap out of it. Facebook is truly...a cancer. Do not give me the whole song and dance about how their targeted ads help small businesses. 99% of the stuff I've seen on FB, business-wise, is ads for shady products, scams or schemes.

They took a truly golden opportunity to connect people and ravaged it, then turned to acquiring every possible competitor they could, as their main product turned into hot garbage.

Even AOL garners more of my respect than FB, how is this even possible?! FB needs to die like AOL died. It'll only take the boomer generation to die out. Unfortunately, Instagram is still a decent property, probably because they didn't let Zuckerfuck fuck it up. Expect Instagram to become cancer too once FB is no longer the main profit center.

Re: Facebook is researching AI systems that see, hear, remember everything you do

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Post by rumblerock »

hetspookjee wrote: post #37

Sometimes I dream of a Facebook machine; e.g. the eerily creepy recommender for your next best action, but than with an objective function not to optimise the recommenders revenue (by being as effective ad seller as possible) but rather changing the objective function to optimise for health, wellbeing and happiness. Now surely it is far from trivial to define these, but atleast you can make a start somewhere: - You c…

I'm certainly wish this were possible, and people who left would probably go back to the platform if it reformed itself in this direction. But as the years go on all I see are more and more catastrophic impacts from short term thinking and near term profit generation, whether it's Facebook, climate, VC-funded startups or the current supply chain crisis.

Perhaps the public consciousness around the unhealthy design of existing social media is approaching a point where a new Facebook-like social network could actually achieve a critical mass of users. On the order of years I think it'll happen (like rates of smoking cigarettes), but how long that will be who knows. I can only hope it comes in the next few years as I fear the destructive ripple effects through culture and society are only getting worse.

Re: Facebook is researching AI systems that see, hear, remember everything you do

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Post by de_keyboard »

blackoil wrote: post #16
mgreb wrote: post #12

Wait, are such devices even legal? Looks like walking spy-cam to me. I want to know if someone records video/takes picture of me. With this glasses you can`t tell if you are being filmed.

Is it illegal to shoot videos in public place without permission of all present ? Private places may have their own rules. Also this is R&D, long way before such questions matter.

In most western countries it is legal. I'm not sure it should be, given recent technological advances.

Re: Facebook is researching AI systems that see, hear, remember everything you do

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Post by vstm »

throwinawaysoon wrote: post #28
hungryforcodes wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish you so many upvotes for this comment.

upvotes: thoughts and prayers of the internet

Maybe Facebook can create an AI that also sends thoughts and prayers to whoever needs it. It's also probably easier because most people remember why they need the thoughts and prayers.

Re: Facebook is researching AI systems that see, hear, remember everything you do

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Post by istorical »

hetspookjee wrote: post #37

Sometimes I dream of a Facebook machine; e.g. the eerily creepy recommender for your next best action, but than with an objective function not to optimise the recommenders revenue (by being as effective ad seller as possible) but rather changing the objective function to optimise for health, wellbeing and happiness. Now surely it is far from trivial to define these, but atleast you can make a start somewhere: - You c…

I find it absolutely painful that our recommender ML based content discovery streams like YouTube and Tiktok and Instagram don't have multiple 'hats' you can put on and take off, in the sense of saying 'hey TikTok, I'm feeling frisky, feel free to send me those thirst trap videos now', but then 30 minutes later you can say 'OK TikTok, I know I watched a bunch of those dancing videos, but can you send me the educational stuff now'. Ditto IG, YouTube etc. Like 'hey YouTube, engage education mode', 'hey YouTube, engage self-improvement mode', 'hey YouTube, I just wanna relax and laugh'.

I know that there are categories, even auto-generated categories on YouTube, but they aren't that great or all encompassing. My biggest critique of present personalized ML content streams is that there's no two-way communication. I can't tell IG that yes I wanna see big booties right now, but no I don't want to see them five hours from now. Or I want to see aquaponics right now since I'm on a learning binge, but later tonight I don't need more technology and science, I just need to laugh and unwind.

Our actions, our content consumption, is not allowed to be one and done. Every move you make is seen as a signal to the algorithm that you want more of that all the time. The closest thing we have is incognito mode, or maintaining multiple accounts for different purposes. But why can't you look at an ex on instagram one time without them showing you that person everytime you open the app for 5 years. It's really toxic and unsustainable that all of your actions are seen as 'yes, please more of this all the time'.

Re: Facebook is researching AI systems that see, hear, remember everything you do

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Post by mertd »

hetspookjee wrote: post #37

Sometimes I dream of a Facebook machine; e.g. the eerily creepy recommender for your next best action, but than with an objective function not to optimise the recommenders revenue (by being as effective ad seller as possible) but rather changing the objective function to optimise for health, wellbeing and happiness. Now surely it is far from trivial to define these, but atleast you can make a start somewhere: - You c…

> changing the objective function to optimise for health, wellbeing and happiness.

Whose? Individual or group wellbeing? Optimizing for one can lead to very suboptimal outcomes for the other.

Re: Facebook is researching AI systems that see, hear, remember everything you do

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Post by dado3212 »

hetspookjee wrote: post #37

Sometimes I dream of a Facebook machine; e.g. the eerily creepy recommender for your next best action, but than with an objective function not to optimise the recommenders revenue (by being as effective ad seller as possible) but rather changing the objective function to optimise for health, wellbeing and happiness. Now surely it is far from trivial to define these, but atleast you can make a start somewhere: - You c…

FB has gotten roasted for doing emotional manipulation in the past: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/06/28/facebook.... Not confident that the company trying to specifically target emotions (even ostensibly happiness) would be taken that well.
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