I remember learning about fish traps similar to these. They used a similar design but with modern nets in the Chesapeake. Not sure what the timeframe was for their use or if they are still used today.
An underwater mystery on Canada's coast
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#52Not sure which is the primary source (BBC is very much likely), but [1] gives more details on the look of the stake sites, the discovered locations, and most intriguingly (for myself) the supposed design of the fish traps. [1]: https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/fir...
Yes, but [1] also seems to be the kind of websites that promotes mystical/conspirational stuff about how the aliens/atlants actually built the pyramids with state-of-the-art alien tech and how they already had batteries, aircrafts... Although they will never say it out loud, you have to watch the documentaries until the end. The conspirational part is how the egyptologist/archeologist lobby try prevent us from the kn…
> ... Yes, but [1] also seems to be the kind of websites that promotes mystical/conspirational stuff...
I can't vouch for the site [1] itself, I just wish the BBC Travel article was more illustrative about the subject, it kept me wondering what the described staked fish traps were supposed to look like.
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#53Reading this and the talk about how “surprising” it is reminds me of how I’ve been researching British Columbia’s relationship with First Nations people, and this research extended to other people in the Pacific Northwest under the US system. My takeaway is that everything about this is heavily misunderstood. As CPG Grey also concluded, the entire concept is overinclusive, to its detriment. As we squabble between ter…
>> that the map of North America should be dotted with microstates So who gets which microstate? Which point in history should be selected as the point whereby the name of the resident people is attached to a particular patch of land? These peoples moved around, they migrated and conquered one another for millennia. Does the arrival of Europeans suddenly lock them into whatever territory they had at the moment of fir…
I agree on all points.
Another time overinclusivity rears its head is when people get vicariously offended for all indigenous people when they see someone wearing a headdress. One tribe says its ceremonial, can another tribe license it out … commercially … and all is fine? The same question as you, who gets to sign the contract, who has a say? How do you know the person wearing the headdress at a festival is breaking a relevant rule, or if they arent of a tribe, or if they didnt get permission - you cant tell by skin color or any phenotype so who gets to say - , and so on and so forth.
The consensus making process is completely broken because even the most progressive and sensitive people are doing an extremely insensitive overgrouping.
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#54> Until recently, the sophisticated technology had been overlooked by Western science.
This feels like an overstatement. Fish traps are a very well-understood technology, and we've always known coastal people used them. This discovery is significant because of its scale, and how the site itself was overlooked, not because it represents evidence of previously-ignored technology.
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#55> Until recently, the sophisticated technology had been overlooked by Western science. This feels like an overstatement. Fish traps are a very well-understood technology, and we've always known coastal people used them. This discovery is significant because of its scale, and how the site itself was overlooked, not because it represents evidence of previously-ignored technology.
Rtfa
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
- https://wan-ifra.org/2021/06/how-bbc-news-labs-uses-ai-power... - https://artificialintelligence-news.com/2017/10/19/bbc-ai-im... - https://techhq.com/2019/12/machines-wrote-the-bbcs-uk-electi...
None of this of course even remotely addresses the false (and, to any tech incined person who reads the BBC and has seen the state of AI-generated content) patently absurd claim you made that BBC News articles are "now mostly written by AI".
Yeah maybe I was hyperbolic in my wording, but in my defense, most of the articles DO read like an AI hacked them together.
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is kind of debatable through, sure there are national laws, and even EU wide laws. However, Germany has its states, Berlin has different laws than Hamburg for certain things, same as Italy and Spain have their regions with various levels of autonomy. Every municipality all over Europe has control of some of its local laws, too. We don’t just have one European wide law, or even German wide law for every aspect of…
Sure, but not every small town has a distinct language and distinct set of laws. The OP talks about "food security for an estimated 10,000-12,000 K'ómoks People", unclear that the K'ómoks ethnic group was much larger than 10k. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%27%C3%B3moks
On Vancouver island where the Komoks people lived, there certainly was a distinct language and culture and possibly laws for probably half a dozen or more groups. On the island alone, I (a white person), know of the Songhees, Lekwungen, Tsartslip, Tsawout, Wsanec, Cowichan, Pacheedaht, Ucluelet, and Homalco nations. All those are local to the island and have their own languages and traditions.
Point being that there can be a surprising number of micronations in a very small area.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
None of this of course even remotely addresses the false (and, to any tech incined person who reads the BBC and has seen the state of AI-generated content) patently absurd claim you made that BBC News articles are "now mostly written by AI".
Yeah maybe I was hyperbolic in my wording, but in my defense, most of the articles DO read like an AI hacked them together.
> BBC News articles are mostly now written by AI pulling from other newsfeeds.
...bold assertion challenged...
> Yeah maybe I was hyperbolic in my wording, but in my defense, most of the articles DO read like an AI hacked them together.
That's really not OK.
Your first comment was not written as an opinion or speculation.
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#59> Until recently, the sophisticated technology had been overlooked by Western science. This feels like an overstatement. Fish traps are a very well-understood technology, and we've always known coastal people used them. This discovery is significant because of its scale, and how the site itself was overlooked, not because it represents evidence of previously-ignored technology.
Rtfa
I literally quoted the article.
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#60> Here, the Kwakwaka'wakw People built monumental rock walls, large enough to be seen from space
I can see a sidewalk from space by opening Google Earth. I propose we kill that expression.
The BBC also neglect to mention imminent climactic changes and the effect warming will have on local fish; rather important context looking forward.