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Re: PinePhone Pro Announced

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Post by sergeykish »

nottaylorswift wrote: post #326
Ekaros wrote: post #309

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How soon is other software on it is usable? Kernel really doesn't matter too much if rest is unusable...

It took Google tens of thousands of paid top tier developer hours to make Android useable. I'm betting never. In a year or two there's going to be some nasty passive aggressive apology blaming the woes of the world for why it couldn't happen and these guys will go home with their big sack of money. Seriously you want a shit Android ARM phone loaded with a beta Linux distro? Let's order a lot from Shenzhen and everyon…

Then Shenzhen manufactures should open source device drivers.

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Post by noasaservice »

TheUnelisted wrote: post #157
noasaservice wrote: post #9

Damn, and I just put in an order for the PinePhone 1.5 days ago. Just emailed them to see if they can make this work, and upgrade appropriate for the difference.

Well, the "Explorer Edition" units haven't gone on sale yet. Right now only developer units are on sale, and those are strictly for developers who will contribute to the kernel, firmware, drivers, and shell. But I'm sure they will be willing to process a refund for you if your device hasn't shipped out yet, otherwise you'll have to return it minus the cost of shipping.

I just received the email indicating that they've issued a refund.

Hopefully, I'll be included on the early batch, and can contribute to helping make the overall GUI experience better.

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Post by officeplant »

Fnoord wrote: post #298
officeplant wrote: post #71

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>1080p feels like the baseline in 2021. The lower end Android market is still dominated by 720p(ish) phones. Especially the sub $150 market. Having used a few of them I don't think its an issue. Especially when you get a phone with a 720 screen, a modern low end efficient octo-core SoC, and a 4000mAh battery. The 3-4 days of battery life feel like you've gone back in time 15 years to cellphones lasting most of the we…

Yeah, but... the Pro is not in a low-end sub $150 market. The Pro is twice as expensive as the normal Pinephone: 400 USD + taxes. I don't see how its worth the money if it still isn't gonna be usable as daily driver. Steam Deck only supports 1280 x 800, and that's gonna be OK for handheld gaming. I rather have 120 Hz and OLED but it ain't gonna happen for now. I really doubt you get 3-4 days on a Pinephone once you s…

I wasn't really trying to compare it to the low end android market, just saying that there are benefits to lower spec parts.

The Pinephone doesn't meet the needs of the smart phone market at this time, and probably not ever. In my opinion that market will never be friendly to Linux phones because of how much of it is based in proprietary control of the ecosystem. It feels wildly more toxic towards FOSS ideology than even the desktop ecosystem in 2021.

As someone who hasn't fully bought into any ecosystem yet it would be easier for me to transition to using a Pinephone. It will be inconvenient all the time, but at least I'm in control.

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Post by m0zg »

_abox wrote: post #350
m0zg wrote: post #307

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I'd be quite happy to _not_ be able to download "Covid App", whatever that is, on my phone. So, what's a bug for some is a valuable feature to others.

It's kinda weird anyway, for showing a QR code it being an app adds no benefit. You can just print the QR code and keep it in your pocket. It's valid for 1 year in most places. On iOS PassBook would be the ideal place for this, not a separate app. I do have mine on my phone but just in case.. Here we don't need the code unless we go to the disco, and I'm too old for that anyway. Either way I'm vaccinated so code or n…

Even though I'm vaccinated, I have no interest whatsoever of proving it with any kind of "code", "star of David" or whatever the fuck Faucists want me to prove it with.

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Post by Fnoord »

SahAssar wrote: post #359
Fnoord wrote: post #353

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I'm not talking specifically about /e/ (though I would recommend looking into it, if you want privacy and Android backwards compatibility). I am talking about the plethora of OSes available otherwise, such as postmarketOS, Mobian, Ubuntu Touch, SailfishOS, etc. It al runs a Linux kernel though, so anyone can pull the 'but its still Linux' card and discussion is over.

Do those run or are supported on fairphone? The only thing I found when googling "fairphone4 alternative OS" was mentions of /e/.

FP4 isn't even officially released yet (and when it is, there's delivery time), while devs don't get the device before release. They need to buy it just like the rest of us.

However, the previous Fairphones ran all kind of OSes, including the ones I mentioned. In fact, I believe Fairphone was the first smartphone to run on some of these (IIRC pmOS, UT).

Given the device gets support for 5 years (including software updates) that's gonna be a while where devs can support it, and where it gets (supposedly) firmware updates for the embedded chips as well.

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Post by Fnoord »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #360
SahAssar wrote: post #359

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Do those run or are supported on fairphone? The only thing I found when googling "fairphone4 alternative OS" was mentions of /e/.

They don't, and even when they do it's on top of Android. In turn, pmOS runs on FP3 using Linux 4.9, for instance.

These OSes don't run on top of Android or AOSP. Some of them don't even have emulation for Android.

Re: PinePhone Pro Announced

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Post by seba_dos1 »

Fnoord wrote: post #366
seba_dos1 wrote: post #360

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They don't, and even when they do it's on top of Android. In turn, pmOS runs on FP3 using Linux 4.9, for instance.

These OSes don't run on top of Android or AOSP. Some of them don't even have emulation for Android.

They do. That's what Halium and libhybris are for - so you can run GNU/Linux userspace on top of Android's HAL. You can't take a mainline (or even close to mainline) kernel and boot it on these phones - or at least not when you expect them to still be somewhat useful. The mainline kernel has no support for any Fairphone at all so far (some support seems to begin appearing for FP4, but not for earlier ones).

A good litmus test on whether a device doesn't rely on Android is whether Mobian supports it, since Mobian doesn't intend to support Halium platforms: https://wiki.mobian-project.org/doku.php?id=devices (also, I just noticed that you actually listed Mobian as working on the Fairphone in one of your previous comments - that of course isn't true)

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Post by ece »

username190 wrote: post #288
LeifCarrotson wrote: post #119

It has a Quectel EG25-G modem. I've not used this particular device, but I have used Quectel GNSS modules, and they've been a surprisingly helpful company to work with. I'm a nobody, and working with Sony, Trimble, or ublox has been an exercise in frustration; you have to convince a salesperson that you're a big company and you can sell thousands of devices in order to just read the datasheet. This one does have some…

> will a tower with a band 66 antenna give this modem some of the central band 4 subset, or will it try to negotiate a channel that this can't access? Here in the US (and likely in other places), carriers use MFBI[0] to solve this issue - it lets them broadcast both AWS-1 (as B4 and B66) and AWS-3 (as B66 only). This first came into use when AT&T wanted to use B17 (Lower 700MHz blocks B-C) for their LTE network, rath…

B71 and this would be an instant-buy from me, though I might still pick it up.

Re: PinePhone Pro Announced

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Post by Fnoord »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #367
Fnoord wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These OSes don't run on top of Android or AOSP. Some of them don't even have emulation for Android.

They do. That's what Halium and libhybris are for - so you can run GNU/Linux userspace on top of Android's HAL. You can't take a mainline (or even close to mainline) kernel and boot it on these phones - or at least not when you expect them to still be somewhat useful. The mainline kernel has no support for any Fairphone at all so far (some support seems to begin appearing for FP4, but not for earlier ones). A good li…

Our definition of running under Android differs.

Re: PinePhone Pro Announced

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Post by novok »

ryukafalz wrote: post #283
novok wrote: post #270

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TBH I think having a flutter port for this operating mobile system is probably the most likely way for it to succeed. That way you can do a flutter app and it will work on this too, while still having mainline OS support. Then you would need to fill in some common services like push and such.

It's desktop Linux, so you can do this now! I know of at least one Flutter app available as a Flatpak on ARM Linux (FluffyChat).

Yeah it's really close already and has adoption in the mobile world, which is why I would suggest the community adopt that vs something else like mobile gtk. I dunno how optimized flutter desktop for linux is for the mobile version, maybe all it will take is a view port change and implementing some more mobile orientated apis like location & orientation changes.
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