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Re: More Americans are considering retirement

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Great, just as we have a historical shortage of workers

Putting aside the worker shortage in the burger flipping type jobs, I’m an engineer currently interviewing and these companies all still think they can hire an “entry level” with 3 years of experience and then pay them only $60,000.

The hiring managers also had a position opening in 2019, cancelled it because pandemic, then 2 years later don’t think they have to inflation adjust the benefits package (~7%!)

Re: More Americans are considering retirement

#52

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Not really. Most boomers and are not rich at all. Go to your local food store and you will probably find plenty of older employees...it's not just 20-somethings who are stuck in crappy professions or in a rut. Many boomers did not save for retirement and face the same problems young people do. Also there are plenty of 20 and 30-year-olds on Reddit (such as on investing and FIRE subs) and hacker news who have sizable…

I am sinking in debt thanks to my college, and you think boomers have that problem? No, they don't, and I wonder how old you are considering your views -- I honestly don't think you know any boomers with views like this, considering your only argument is the ones at grocery stores. My grandfather worked at a grocery store for 30 years and has a pension still going to this day. No jobs have pensions anymore. And I bet…

The narrative is that boomers have it easy and are retired and enjoying a leisurely life. the fact that many boomers and gen x are still working low-paying jobs, suggests maybe this is not so. As a whole boomers are better off, but they are much older too, so had more time to accumulate wealth. Adjusting for age, the disparity disspears or not as great.

Re: More Americans are considering retirement

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Your anecdotes are absolutely not backed up by the data: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-depressing-chart-show...

That is a terrible chart. Of course share of wealth goes up as you get older - you’ve had more time to acquire it. They’ve attempted to adjust for age, but it’s not helpful when the oldest millennial has barely entered the workforce. The chart also ignore the population share of each generation - Baby boomers made up a massive part of the US population - 70M out of a population of about 210M (1980) or 33% when they h…

> but it’s not helpful when the oldest millennial has barely entered the workforce.

The oldest millennials are turning 40.

Re: More Americans are considering retirement

#55
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This sounds absolutely wonderful to me. At this point we have 2 generations straining for opportunities and advancement while the wealthiest and luckiest generation in the history of the country sits at the top of the ladder. Time for them to go enjoy their good fortune in Florida and let the rest of us crack into that turf they've been hoarding.

There are a bunch of 60+ senior developers sitting there occupying positions in the modern software industry? If so, they must have been damn lucky not needing to look for work after they hit 45 or so... Or, are they doing stuff "nobody in their right mind" would be interested in doing, like Cobol or Fortran?

Re: More Americans are considering retirement

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Not really. Most boomers and are not rich at all. Go to your local food store and you will probably find plenty of older employees...it's not just 20-somethings who are stuck in crappy professions or in a rut. Many boomers did not save for retirement and face the same problems young people do. Also there are plenty of 20 and 30-year-olds on Reddit (such as on investing and FIRE subs) and hacker news who have sizable…

Except the vast majority of them own property that they originally purchased for under $50k which, if sold, would net them hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars. Many of them are on pensions (something that doesn't even exist anymore), plus they receive social security payments.

This is only true if they have been able to live in the same place for 10+ years. There aren't that many places or fields where one can keep working without interruption without a significant move. And each house transaction starts the growth clock over.

Re: More Americans are considering retirement

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a terrible chart. Of course share of wealth goes up as you get older - you’ve had more time to acquire it. They’ve attempted to adjust for age, but it’s not helpful when the oldest millennial has barely entered the workforce. The chart also ignore the population share of each generation - Baby boomers made up a massive part of the US population - 70M out of a population of about 210M (1980) or 33% when they h…

> but it’s not helpful when the oldest millennial has barely entered the workforce. The oldest millennials are turning 40.

Chart doesn’t even go to 30 for millennials.

Re: More Americans are considering retirement

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. Most boomers and are not rich at all. Go to your local food store and you will probably find plenty of older employees...it's not just 20-somethings who are stuck in crappy professions or in a rut. Many boomers did not save for retirement and face the same problems young people do. Also there are plenty of 20 and 30-year-olds on Reddit (such as on investing and FIRE subs) and hacker news who have sizable…

Except the vast majority of them own property that they originally purchased for under $50k which, if sold, would net them hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars. Many of them are on pensions (something that doesn't even exist anymore), plus they receive social security payments.

It's not like boomers in the '70s and early '80s had $50k just lying around. Even today that is considered a sizable amount of $. Wages were pretty low back then even when adjusted for inflation. Saving $50k would have been a major challenge even for professionals back in the 80s. It's easy to see how cheap things were generations ago and think that this meant things were thus more affordable, but not necessarily so.

Re: More Americans are considering retirement

#59

Hmmm, looks like they changed their mind about the headline More Americans Are Considering Retirement Because of Covid - Bloomberg

I would think the original title was more valid or pertinent. Given the hassles of the last two years re: where to work, how to work, how to get to/from work, ... pretty much anybody who could make retirement work thought hard about it. Particularly those outside the US or with the ability to pony up for US healthcare for people in their 60's.

Re: More Americans are considering retirement

#60
post #12

rise in popularity of FIRE lifestyle with everyone in their late 20s too

At it's heart, FIRE is a reaction to how tenuous, unsustainable and unstable the job market has become in recent years. I don't particularly want to sit on the couch and binge Netflix, but I have such low faith that I'll be able to maintain decent employment that won't destroy my physical and mental health till the age of 67 that FIRE is a completely reasonable thing to aim for. The only unreasonable thing is the cor…

Yep, my wife and I are growing into this mindset. We both generally enjoy our careers and doing something meaningful, but we're focused on getting to the point where working is only for the "fun" things in life.
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