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Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by UncleOxidant »

valtism wrote: post #134
prepend wrote: post #14

I guess I’m just old school but I come from a time when I’d be fired for any negative public or even internal comments. And I’m ok with that. I’d rather just quit than try to change a company this way. Or I’d just work into leadership and make executive decisions. Or I’d start a company and do it my way. I just don’t see leadership being convinced by me complaining on Twitter or starting an internal complaint slack c…

It's devastating that this is the top opinion coming from here. The "If you don't like it just leave" stance, whether talking about working for a company or living in a country, is so dismissive of the people who see issues and have the courage to try and change things to make it better for others.

The idea the companies should be able to do whatever they want to their employees and if the employees don't like it they should leave seems common here. But I think a lot of people are really fed up with that attitude and it's a big reason why we're in the midst of the Great Resignation.

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Post by angry_octet »

Jensson wrote: post #162
angry_octet wrote: post #38

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You know how apps work right? Nothing has actually been deleted.

> You know how apps work right? Nothing has actually been deleted. Nothing was deleted, but Apple doesn't have access to her private Google account so they can't see what she has there. I doubt Google will cooperate with Apple over this, so from Apple's perspective she could have deleted evidence.

If she had changed her Google password it would have the same effect, because the access token would have been revoked. Are you saying that would also be deletion?

Perhaps you don't understand litigation? Apple will get discovery, and the court will order Google to supply the files, and revision history, which they will do.

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

3grdlurker wrote: post #156
chipotle_coyote wrote: post #84

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> For example my employer doesn’t provide a work Github account… but while I have the option to use my personal one, I can also sign up for a separate one. Apologizing for being the Well Actually Guy, but GitHub's terms of service include the line "One person or legal entity may maintain no more than one free Account". If your employer doesn't provide a work account for you or use Enterprise GitHub, then technically…

The problem with that is when you sign a work contract with your employer, there's typically a clause there that also says something along the lines of, "whatever uses you may have of company resources becomes the property of the company". So clearly, there can be a delineation of personal vs. corporate entities there if I don't elect, for example, to use my personal Github account versus my work Github accout, which…

IANAL and all the requisite disclaimers, but GitHub explicitly recommends that you use one free account for both personal and work stuff, and there's fairly granular organization-level access controls built into the platform to keep those things separate. If I have a personal GitHub account and FooBarCo adds me to one of their GitHub organizations, that does not magically make any repos I have access to that are not part of their GitHub organization the legal property of FooBarCo.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by exBarrelSpoiler »

WORMS_EAT_WORMS wrote: post #168
exBarrelSpoiler wrote: post #127

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Apple has a toxic side covered up by silence that is unique among most tech companies. And you want to talk about ungodly money and ungodly benefits, yet there are suicides at Facebook and Amazon. Not to mention in investment banking. All of these things come at a cost.

Okay. So what is your point? That there are hard jobs everywhere and hard jobs are… hard? I would also bet stats show suicide rates are higher in other industries. These are some of the most balanced and progressive organizations between pay and lifestyle. If your golden ticket is so toxic go get a job that is not at 1/3 the pay. You’ll still be richer than most and I would bet many still find a way to be miserable.

Not all FAANG companies are the same, and your carefree experience does not overwrite others’. You cannot presume to know the experience of companies that encompass tens of thousands of individuals, with untold number of departments and teams. So you were on a low-stress team. Bully for you.

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Post by siva7 »

kevingadd wrote: post #91
xibalba wrote: post #18

It’s crazy how often these activists footgun. Deleting google drive off a work phone during an investigation?

Try doing an exhaustive inventory of your work week sometime, you probably violated company policy at least a dozen times without realizing it.

Sure, but when said company is investigating you officially then something tells me they are preparing to fire you no matter what

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by ripbubu »

angry_octet wrote: post #28
da_big_ghey wrote: post #17

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Agree, I am confused why the surprise that somebody bad-mouth an employer publicly and get fired for it. Ask, if you were in a business, you have a problem employee who will not stop talking to press to make a public damage against your reputation. How can you handle this when this employee will not stop? Said person is now working against your company interests and not for.

This is a big cultural disconnect. What you interpret as "bad mouthing" is actually an indication of corporate health, a mechanism for self-correcting behaviour, and pruning bad management practices that cause behaviour to deviate from objectives. However, your views are not uncommon, people like to hide their misbehavior, and it's always a challenge to root those people out.

Agreed. And Apple had a reputation for organizational health. Something went wrong. Perhaps, they scaled quickly and the leadership brought in at that time did not grasp the science behind Apple’s organizational health. Since when did Apple become the Navy? Just leave? Some of us dreamed as children to work for this company. In that dream I didn’t envision being sexually harassed and hr shielding the harasser or being paid 20% or more less than my male peers. This isn’t just an Apple issue, but they do set the example for many other companies in tech and out. As an admirer of the innovation of Apple, subpar organizational health promotes stagnation.

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Post by dang »

_hilro wrote: post #170
objclxt wrote: post #73

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> if union is generally flatten the salaries to make me receive less for others more Who says that’s what will happen? Tom Cruise is a member of SAG, do you think he gets paid SAG union rates? Union busters in tech have done a fantastic job of convincing engineers that all unions are blue-collar. Which is funny, because you only have to look to Hollywood to see unions like SAG, the DGA, and the WGA which exist to pro…

> look to Hollywood to see unions like SAG, the DGA, and the WGA which exist to protect all workers from exploitation Funny how those Hollywood unions knowingly let their "members" be sexually exploited by powerful industry figures and didn't say a peep. Funny how those same unions let their "members" be exploited by abusive industry figures and shit working conditions for the entirety of their existence.

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Post by worrycue »

ruined wrote: post #190
worrycue wrote: post #136

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> it's not surprising that efforts are being made today to decentralize power within the private sphere and create broader rights and democratic management of capital. So does Joe the plumber whom you hired to fix the sink now have rights to determine how your household is run? Does he and Jimmy the electrician (who wired up the place) get to vote on who can live in your house or what the household budget should be s…

if Joe the plumber came to my house every day to plumb for me the way i asked, and i handled his healthcare and bought him all his pipes and tools, and he depended on me and i on him by the terms of our agreement, yeah i should probably listen to him if he has a concern if he and Jimmy and the thousand other dudes that apparently come to my house every day all have feelings about something, it might end up looking li…

You can listen to him but you don’t have to - especially when he is talking about things outside his area of specialty.

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Post by _hilro »

dang wrote: post #207
_hilro wrote: post #170

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> look to Hollywood to see unions like SAG, the DGA, and the WGA which exist to protect all workers from exploitation Funny how those Hollywood unions knowingly let their "members" be sexually exploited by powerful industry figures and didn't say a peep. Funny how those same unions let their "members" be exploited by abusive industry figures and shit working conditions for the entirety of their existence.

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Oh fuck off dang
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