Listenbrainz[0] looks like an interesting project for building better (or at least more open) recommendation systems[1].
[1] https://blog.metabrainz.org/2020/12/24/playlists-and-persona...
Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations
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Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations
#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
I must say your dismissal of this is rather annoying. Multiple users are telling you they are facing a real -- and completely obvious and predictable -- problem due to the feature not being available. In a comment section regarding research showing it would be an improvement to recommendations. Increased UI clutter due to a single extra icon is not a good nor sufficient argument for not including it.
My dismissal is based on a many-million digit customer base and online real world data. Sorry if a few hackernews users feel they want a dislike button, most users don't and if you give to them most users don't use it. I don't mind disagreement but dismissing real world data from this industry is sort of silly to counter with 'because I want it you're wrong'.
I disagree that your reasoning is entirely sound. It's a bit of an elitist point of view I suppose; but fundamentally I don't think all customers are created equally in terms of importance. One could even in this day and age call some of the more important ones "influencer" or something similar.
While the general customer base might not be served by this feature, what if a subset of the customer base enjoys this feature to an extraordinary extent? Maybe it fixes a lot of problems they have with the service; and negates a lot of complaints they otherwise would have posted.
Would it still not be the correct choice to "clutter the UI" with this?
I don't think it's as easy of a choice like you're trying to make it.
But I could also be jaded by the fact that Spotify for years has trying to pull me into listening to all kinds of odd European folk music that I have no interest in what-so-ever.
Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations
#133So basically they’re developing a product marketed to streaming platforms to identify what’s “more attractive” to consumers. The algorithms are still optimized for increasing sales and engagement, not improving recommendations (for the user). That’s exactly why I’m unhappy with Spotify lately. I feel I’m being sold a bunch of corporate portfolios on what’s currently in vogue, and not just artistically but politically…
That's the exact reason I switched to YouTube Music. I remember even about 10 years ago, last.fm's algorithm on bringing songs I would enjoy basing on previously listened/liked songs was far more accurate than Spotify's today.
I think Youtube Music does a decent job on recommendations but its android app is annoying. How does it still not have a horizontal screen mode?
Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations
#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
I must say your dismissal of this is rather annoying. Multiple users are telling you they are facing a real -- and completely obvious and predictable -- problem due to the feature not being available. In a comment section regarding research showing it would be an improvement to recommendations. Increased UI clutter due to a single extra icon is not a good nor sufficient argument for not including it.
My dismissal is based on a many-million digit customer base and online real world data. Sorry if a few hackernews users feel they want a dislike button, most users don't and if you give to them most users don't use it. I don't mind disagreement but dismissing real world data from this industry is sort of silly to counter with 'because I want it you're wrong'.
I think for technically minded or abnormal users a dislike button would be valuable, but that's a minority of the population and I understand why a company would choose to focus on the larger market to the detriment of the enthusiasts. Props for taking the heat and trying to present this perspective.
I personally had these same complaints and acknowledged that I'm unusual and my needs are best served by my own hosted solution. I'd encourage people who are unhappy with major streaming services to roll their own if they truly feel strongly about it- I did and I'm happier for it.
Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations
#135Has pandora licensed their music DNA engine to anybody?
Pandora recommendations have always been 1000x better than anybody else. It’s not even a comparison.
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#136I cancelled spotify recently when I had a guest in my car who proceeded to play all her favorite music on my account. I wanted to remove her music from my history so spotify would hopefully not recommend her music to me but there is no way to delete your history https://community.spotify.com/t5/Your-Library/2021-how-do-we... Account deleted. I know I'm not the norm but Spotify has never done a good job for me recomme…
Spotify used to have a private listening feature for people to play their music, but I've also deleted it so IDK
Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations
#137So basically they’re developing a product marketed to streaming platforms to identify what’s “more attractive” to consumers. The algorithms are still optimized for increasing sales and engagement, not improving recommendations (for the user). That’s exactly why I’m unhappy with Spotify lately. I feel I’m being sold a bunch of corporate portfolios on what’s currently in vogue, and not just artistically but politically…
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Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations
#138Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations
#139I wrote a blog post some twenty years ago (good luck finding it) but the basic point was I went and Googled "Martin Luther King" and the third item was hosted on Stormfront (neo Nazi hosting site - IIRR cos no one else would host the sort of stuff on it).
I surmised that some academic papers were linking to this and Google chose that as a positive recommendation.
I remember realising then that what we needed was not just a link but a standrdised way of conveying attributes on the link (including not recommended).
As everyone now infers from behaviour (time on page etc) but I still think there must be value in "this resource has this meaning to me and is important enough that i am labelling it"
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#140I feel like I'm the only one that doesn't really care about recommendation engines because I still don't use them. I get music recommendations from friends or music journalism the way I did pre-Pandora and it still works for me. Maybe I'm missing out on some sick bands though.
I expect to be an outlier here, I also never use recommendation because I listen to the same stuff since 15+ years, and I couldn’t be happier :)
Elder Scrolls and Castlevania OSTs (Symphony of the Night and Super Castlevania mostly) represent at least 90% of what I listened to during the past decade. The other 10% is Shpongle and other soundtrack from games I enjoyed.