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Post by Klasiaster »

josteink wrote: post #286
Klasiaster wrote: post #171

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Not reliably, the modem can crash at any time and until you restart it manually from the terminal you can't send/receive text/calls.

I send and receive texts all the time on my PP. What are you talking about?

Normally happens during suspend and when you wake the phone up again, the modem is gone until you do `sudo systemctl restart eg25-manager` (using the FLOSS firmware on the latest release). When it happened once, it will happen more often, until the phone is rebooted, than you get it working for longer time again.

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Post by Fnoord »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #324
Fnoord wrote: post #304

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You can install another OS if you want. LineageOS, for example (with or without OpenGApps). Or /e/. You can even buy a FP3(+) with /e/. They sell it. Or other OSes. Or you wait for FP4 which is out 25 October. Fairphone 3(+)/4 don't have killswitches though.

They're all just various distributions of the same OS. Personally I'm just not interested in anything Android.

You can also run non-AOSP based OSes on Fairphone. Its just that people like and require backwards compatibility.

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Post by my123 »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #310
robbedpeter wrote: post #218

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How many hundreds or thousands of enthusiasts are needed before it's suitable to be a daily driver? I see the fragmented approach on the software side as a major hindrance to the goal of achieving a device that can be used by a normal person as a reasonable replacement for other smart phones. I check in on it every l every 6 months or so, update my pinephone and give it a few days. So far, it doesn't meet reliability…

> How many hundreds or thousands Hundreds of millions. That's how many you need for mainstream apps to be built. Even Microsoft couldn't get past that hurdle and money is not a problem for them. Android compatibility might help somewhat but it will undermine the usefulness of the open platform by introducing the very things it fights against. The OS is not the only problem. Apps can still datamine the Android layer t…

Android is a much better base to start from anyway. At least that has a somewhat coherent security model.

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Post by HeckFeck »

eptcyka wrote: post #152
MerelyMortal wrote: post #89

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Can you open banking websites? The only downside of not using an Android/iOS app (in my case at least) would be "mobile deposits" (depositing a check by taking a picture of it).

A lot of banks in the UK offer better IX through their apps when compared to websites, some don't offer a fully featured web client at all (Monzo and friends).

With this 'mobile app' duoply, it feels like we're back in the days of IE6 and ActiveX controls.

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Post by SahAssar »

Fnoord wrote: post #342
seba_dos1 wrote: post #324

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They're all just various distributions of the same OS. Personally I'm just not interested in anything Android.

You can also run non-AOSP based OSes on Fairphone. Its just that people like and require backwards compatibility.

If you're talking about /e/, that's essentially a android fork. It takes away a lot of the tracking, sure, but it's still android.

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Post by SahAssar »

buildbot wrote: post #153
Aeolun wrote: post #66

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Isn’t that silly? I could run linux (with GUI) just fine on my Pentium 3. This phone is like 8 times faster just based on clock speed, not to mention memory. How can it not drive a UI without lag?

It’s certainly interesting that input latency seems to have taken a back seat in almost all modern systems. I have a touchscreen windows NT computer with PS2 ports, both the keyboard and touchscreen have noticeably less latency than any other device I have. However, it’s really slow when actually opening a program!

PS2 has always had much lower latency. Also IIRC the old windows prioritized input handling over pretty much everything else, so it makes sense that even when it is taking a minute to open a website the mouse handling still feels smooth.

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Post by amelius »

m0zg wrote: post #307
amelius wrote: post #275

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One problem is even governments support only the duopoly of smartphone makers. For example, try downloading a "Covid App" for a Linux phone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_apps

I'd be quite happy to _not_ be able to download "Covid App", whatever that is, on my phone. So, what's a bug for some is a valuable feature to others.

It's the slippery slope that's the problem.

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Post by fsflover »

md8z wrote: post #285
josteink wrote: post #279

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> I looked into sxmo and I think it falls clearly into the "clever hack" category and not in the "actually usable" category. Agree to disagree? Also I think you’re being somewhat disingenuous or uncharitable here. sxmo has clearly had a unique vision for mobile Linux for power users and executed on just that. All core phone functionality is available through regular, composable shell-scripts. And all major events can…

I honestly do not see what is so remarkable about it. It just never seemed to me like a unique vision but instead an effort to adapt some existing X11 tools to a mobile workflow. Which is a fine thing to do if you like those tools, but that's different from having some grand new vision. To elaborate: The use of a tiling window manager with explicit workspaces doesn't really make sense to me on a phone since every app…

> The use of shell scripts doesn't really make sense since editing text on a phone is awful.

You don't have to write the scripts on the phone. You can ssh into it from your desktop. Or connect a keyboard and screen.

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Post by jcul »

int_19h wrote: post #295
necrotic_comp wrote: post #205

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Android handsets aren't really linux boxes. I can't ssh into them, I can't write little python scripts, etc. An actual, general purpose, real foss portable phone factor computer will be amazing as it matures.

> I can't ssh into them https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.xnano.andr... > I can't write little python scripts https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ru.iiec.pydroi... And those don't even require an unlocked bootloader. If you do unlock, sky's the limit - it really is a general purpose portable computer then.

You can install termux and from there do all the normal SSH, python, linuxy stuff you like.

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Post by _abox »

m0zg wrote: post #307
amelius wrote: post #275

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One problem is even governments support only the duopoly of smartphone makers. For example, try downloading a "Covid App" for a Linux phone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_apps

I'd be quite happy to _not_ be able to download "Covid App", whatever that is, on my phone. So, what's a bug for some is a valuable feature to others.

It's kinda weird anyway, for showing a QR code it being an app adds no benefit. You can just print the QR code and keep it in your pocket. It's valid for 1 year in most places.

On iOS PassBook would be the ideal place for this, not a separate app.

I do have mine on my phone but just in case.. Here we don't need the code unless we go to the disco, and I'm too old for that anyway.

Either way I'm vaccinated so code or not I've done the right thing :)

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