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Re: PinePhone Pro Announced

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Post by Aeolun »

TheUnelisted wrote: post #146
Aeolun wrote: post #66

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Isn’t that silly? I could run linux (with GUI) just fine on my Pentium 3. This phone is like 8 times faster just based on clock speed, not to mention memory. How can it not drive a UI without lag?

The problem is that it's not 1-1 with X86, especially in regards to graphics capability (The GPU is really the weak link on the current PinePhone). The GPU for example uses Tile-based rendering, which requires software optimizations to work best... Plus the GPU is just plain slow. It's a first generation ARM Mali graphics core intended for OpenGL ES 2.0 afterall.

I’m sorry. I’m not quite sure what everything you said meant, but my P3 didn’t have any GPU at all, so it seems like it shouldn’t matter.

I find it hard to believe a ARM CPU would need significantly more cycles to perform the same operations.

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Post by Aeolun »

jjulius wrote: post #104
Aeolun wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> right now it is a toy for nerds I have some standards for my toys though. If it’s sold as a phone, it should actually work as a phone (even a shitty one). If they were selling it as a mini linux computer with integrated screen I wouldn’t mind so much.

It literally says "Beta" for each phone that is for sale. https://pine64.com/product-category/pinephone/?v=0446c16e2e6...

That’s the same as not expecting an ‘early access’ game to not actually be a game.

You go into beta when your shit works to work out the last bugs, not when you have a barely functional MVP.

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Post by hutzlibu »

blendergeek wrote: post #314
hutzlibu wrote: post #195

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"A basic but very important question: can it phone and send/receive text message reliably" Half a year ago, when I looked into it, the answer was a clear: no. And there were not many things that did work reliable, without frequent freezes and crashes. I doubt that fundamentally changed, so if you are looking for stability and reliability right now, than better look somewhere else. This project is about to get to such…

> Half a year ago, when I looked into it, the answer was a clear: no. And there were not many things that did work reliable, without frequent freezes and crashes. It's gotten much better since then. Now phone calls are reliable. If you install and configure the upcoming MMS support, messages work reliably. Most of the freezes and crashes have also been ironed out. Source: daily driving postmarketOS with Phosh > I dou…

"I can't wait to receive my Pinephone Pro! "

Me neither ;)

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Post by swiley »

zeta0134 wrote: post #252
LeifCarrotson wrote: post #119

It has a Quectel EG25-G modem. I've not used this particular device, but I have used Quectel GNSS modules, and they've been a surprisingly helpful company to work with. I'm a nobody, and working with Sony, Trimble, or ublox has been an exercise in frustration; you have to convince a salesperson that you're a big company and you can sell thousands of devices in order to just read the datasheet. This one does have some…

My biggest question is, if I buy this phone today, with AT&T allow it on their network? My gut says no, they've been brandishing an ugly whitelist around for their big LTE push in February...

I've been using a Pinephone on At&t's network since August last year.

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Post by swiley »

reginold wrote: post #52
belval wrote: post #7

I curious about the opinion of HN on the absence of 1080p (it's still 720p). Specially this part of the blog post: > The decision to maintain the original PinePhone’s screen resolution of 1440×720 was made early on; higher resolution panels consume more power and increase SoC’s load, resulting in shorter battery life and higher average thermals. A few extra pixels aren’t worth it.[1] While I understand the point they…

As a new PinePhone owner this month, screen res is a non-issue. No one is buying this phone as a daily driver right now. There's very few apps available. GPS was 50 miles off when I tried it. For devs interested in a new project, PinePhone needs your help! MVP = Linux on a smartphone That said, I haven't read the announcement closely but wonder why they used the "Pro" moniker. Just say it's the new version of the Pin…

I've been daily driving a Pinephone since 2020. There's a lot of stuff that doesn't work, when it's bad enough I deal with it.

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Post by swiley »

Aeolun wrote: post #66
buildbot wrote: post #3

I can’t wait for pinephone to succeed- hopefully this more powerful hardware + faster ram will help to address latency issues in the UI. Right now it feels like your brain is literally slowing down when interacting with a normal pinephone compared to an iPhone. Not a fair comparison at all I know.

Isn’t that silly? I could run linux (with GUI) just fine on my Pentium 3. This phone is like 8 times faster just based on clock speed, not to mention memory. How can it not drive a UI without lag?

Lightweight X11 Desktops like Fluxbox or FVWM work pretty well on the Pinephone, I'm posting from Fluxbox right now infact.

Also the main bottleneck is really the slow RAM and not the CPU.

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Post by hutzlibu »

nottaylorswift wrote: post #326
Ekaros wrote: post #309

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How soon is other software on it is usable? Kernel really doesn't matter too much if rest is unusable...

It took Google tens of thousands of paid top tier developer hours to make Android useable. I'm betting never. In a year or two there's going to be some nasty passive aggressive apology blaming the woes of the world for why it couldn't happen and these guys will go home with their big sack of money. Seriously you want a shit Android ARM phone loaded with a beta Linux distro? Let's order a lot from Shenzhen and everyon…

"It took Google tens of thousands of paid top tier developer hours to make Android useable."

Is that a guess, or a fact?

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Post by sangnoir »

robbedpeter wrote: post #218
djent wrote: post #163

It is frustrating to me that despite the blunt verbiage about it being a beta device for software and hardware developers, people even here are griping about it being not ready for everyday use. If a free and open-source mobile operating system is missing software support for a feature you want, please contribute to its development.

How many hundreds or thousands of enthusiasts are needed before it's suitable to be a daily driver? I see the fragmented approach on the software side as a major hindrance to the goal of achieving a device that can be used by a normal person as a reasonable replacement for other smart phones. I check in on it every l every 6 months or so, update my pinephone and give it a few days. So far, it doesn't meet reliability…

> I check in on it every l every 6 months or so, update my pinephone and give it a few days.

Why did you buy the phone? They pretty much shout that they are only targeting developers who can bring about your dream. They never promised what you're expecting of them.

> if they corralled all of the effort and enthusiasm currently scattered amongst a dozen (!) different OSes and communities, they could establish a high quality functional baseline.

If Apple and Microsoft combined efforts on Mac OS/Windows, they'd do amazing things too - but that's not going to happen either: once formed, organizations expend significant energy in self-perpertuating. Perhaps you could pick a promising project (or a couple of complementary ones), and support them technically or financially.

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Post by summm »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #245
CameronNemo wrote: post #227

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What is hostile about the OS? Early development or not, the rk3399 is a 5 year old SoC.

An advertising company has a root-level backdoor to the device?

And to add insult to injury, you as the user do not get to have a root account. Yes, there are ways to get one, but even the "alternative distributions" go out of their way to make it extra tedious for you. I would for example expect a built-in menu in Lineageos settings called "enable root" that does what it says without further steps. Instead I need do install some 3rd party stuff from somewhere, get the bootloader image from somewhere, patch it, use a PC to install that image... for each update!
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