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Post by ianai »

megous wrote: post #254
no_time wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As the complexity of our every day devices increase, less and less people are capable of contributing anything meaningful to an OS like Linux, let alone in their free time. It also doesn't help that the abundance of high level languages discourages learning about computer internals in younger generations. Or that we indeed became softies lol.

Language is very small part of it. For example me contributing a anx7688 driver for pinephone to make convergence work was C coding, yes, but also reading through type-c spec, battery charging 1.2 spec, usb-pd specs, alt-dp specs, and figuring out how it all works from 0 knowledge, to tie all that together on a quirky HW design, with several hardware bugs that I had to discover first, and non-cooperating PMIC/and typ…

So drivers are definitely awesome. But at some point adding some usability for “killer apps” on the mainline phones might pull in significant users.

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Post by ncmncm »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #274
ncmncm wrote: post #263

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I used reading glasses, for years. I don't need them anymore. Sometime last year I started drinking kombucha, a pint most days. That is the only thing I can think of to credit the change to. My diastolic blood pressure also went down, from 90 to 70.

That is remarkable because, as I understand it, presbyopia is simply a consequence of the proteins in the eye hardening over time, and hence everyone is expected to get it around the same age. I struggle to see how kombucha would help them soften. https://www.nei.nih.gov/learn-about-eye-health/eye-condition... http://www.carolinaeyemd.com/eye-conditions-hendersonville/p...

Well, me too. Struggling to see is the problem we face.

I had no reason to believe anything could improve it, but I cannot argue with the fact that I do not need the reading glasses anymore. Similarly, I had never heard of anything that would lower diastolic blood pressure, which as I understand it rises as arteries become less elastic. But in both cases, the evidence is objectively unavoidable. (Unavoidable for me, anyway. Others may pretend I made it up.)

It is also easy and tasty to try out yourself. I make my own kombucha for If my objectively improved accommodation and blood pressure are the result of some other process, or processes, the kombucha is at worst harmless, and has, anyway, lots of B and C vitamins.

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Post by ncmncm »

pjmlp wrote: post #269
ncmncm wrote: post #221

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I don't see anything elitist. Anyone can learn assembly language, C, and even C++ and Rust with a bit more dedication. Anyway, much of the work getting these phones ready as daily drivers is in getting apps that run on them mature. There are lots of languages adequate for apps.

Or learn Swift or Kotlin, and target iOS or Android instead.

Or even, you know, not.

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Post by seba_dos1 »

Fnoord wrote: post #304
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #216

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But the Fairphone 3 is running a hostile OS that has already done most of the work, and the PinePhone is still very much an early development platform.

You can install another OS if you want. LineageOS, for example (with or without OpenGApps). Or /e/. You can even buy a FP3(+) with /e/. They sell it. Or other OSes. Or you wait for FP4 which is out 25 October. Fairphone 3(+)/4 don't have killswitches though.

They're all just various distributions of the same OS. Personally I'm just not interested in anything Android.

Re: PinePhone Pro Announced

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Post by seba_dos1 »

SergeAx wrote: post #284

Got my Pinephone today. Currently the most usable modus operandi is to install openssh server and remote from desktop) Getting so much fun anyway, worth every buck. I wonder. Firefox has Android version with mobile-optimized look and feel. I beleive it shares a lot of code with desktop version. How hard will it be to build that version for Linux graphics desktop?

> I beleive it shares a lot of code with desktop version.

Except for the engine, it does not. It's a very Android-specific app. It used to be platform-agnostic (early mobile Firefox ran even on Nokia N900), but that has changed many years ago already.

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Post by nottaylorswift »

Ekaros wrote: post #309
oynqr wrote: post #293

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Except this one is going to run a close to mainline kernel pretty soon and those android phones will be stuck in the last decade, forever.

How soon is other software on it is usable? Kernel really doesn't matter too much if rest is unusable...

It took Google tens of thousands of paid top tier developer hours to make Android useable. I'm betting never. In a year or two there's going to be some nasty passive aggressive apology blaming the woes of the world for why it couldn't happen and these guys will go home with their big sack of money. Seriously you want a shit Android ARM phone loaded with a beta Linux distro? Let's order a lot from Shenzhen and everyone can pay the $50 it's worth.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

robbedpeter wrote: post #218
djent wrote: post #163

It is frustrating to me that despite the blunt verbiage about it being a beta device for software and hardware developers, people even here are griping about it being not ready for everyday use. If a free and open-source mobile operating system is missing software support for a feature you want, please contribute to its development.

How many hundreds or thousands of enthusiasts are needed before it's suitable to be a daily driver? I see the fragmented approach on the software side as a major hindrance to the goal of achieving a device that can be used by a normal person as a reasonable replacement for other smart phones. I check in on it every l every 6 months or so, update my pinephone and give it a few days. So far, it doesn't meet reliability…

> How many hundreds or thousands of enthusiasts are needed before it's suitable to be a daily driver?

I just need a WhatsApp client. Enthusiasts once made one but WhatsApp started banning their users.

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Post by MartijnBraam »

Klasiaster wrote: post #34

For me the main pain point of the current PinePhone is not its performance, it's the driver and firmware issues. Mainline Linux does not work well with the current PinePhone and various patches are not upstreamed or not even written yet to fix the remaining bugs. The cameras don't work with most software, the out-of-tree WiFi driver has stability issues to the point where I rather use LTE or USB, the USB-C firmware i…

The ov5640 is the same, but it's now the front camera instead of the rear camera. It's replacing the gc2145 front sensor on the pinephone that's not doing great.

The new imx rear camera also already has a driver in mainline that can be built on. The majority of the work will be getting the rk3399 side of the cameras to work

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

bluGill wrote: post #236
robbedpeter wrote: post #218

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How many hundreds or thousands of enthusiasts are needed before it's suitable to be a daily driver? I see the fragmented approach on the software side as a major hindrance to the goal of achieving a device that can be used by a normal person as a reasonable replacement for other smart phones. I check in on it every l every 6 months or so, update my pinephone and give it a few days. So far, it doesn't meet reliability…

> How many hundreds or thousands of enthusiasts are needed before it's suitable to be a daily driver? Zero. What is needed is a few hundred developers writing actually code to make it useful. The enthusiasts are at best nice to haves. You can blur the line if you write good bug reports, but right now the pinephone doesn't need end users. The above will change over time. Millions of users would be enough to force carr…

All my banks function just nice on my phone without any apps. There is one magic app that makes it happen, it's called a WWW browser.
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