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Most Canadians believe Facebook harms their mental health

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Re: Most Canadians believe Facebook harms their mental health

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Yes, most likely the ilness would be there even without Facebook. But the platform enables some destructive behavior while in the real life, I hope, more productive support structures could exist. But, realistically, is the choice social media or real life? Or is choice between one part of the Internet and another part of the Internet? Which is to say, what are you talking about doing? Ending Facebook in particular?…

So just give up? Do nothing? If we think these things are harmful and those harms outweigh the good, then we should do something. Even if it is just a higher tax rate for Social Media companies to help pay for the clean up of the damage. Sin taxes work, but in this case you'd have to apply them to the real customers, advertisers, somehow.

So just give up? Do nothing?

Provide help on a variety of levels (peers, professionals, etc). The idea that mechanical restriction social networking could be the answer is just misguided.

And it's not social media that are doing the damage but the interaction of social media and those with existing problems.

If we think these things are harmful and those harms outweigh the good, then we should do something.

I can see many people saying Facebook is "bad" in some way but often the criticism are completely contradictory. Facebook allows too much free speech or Facebook allows too little free speech. Peonple with both criticism "agree" on "harm" until they have to actually do something, then the absurdity appears.

Even if it is just a higher tax rate for Social Media companies to help pay for the clean up of the damage.

What's a "social media company"? Any company that let's people communicate? Social media is just blogging, message, forums and so-forth, put together in a roughly unified way. Acting like it's a single thing that can be managed and controlled seems plausible but is impossible if you think about it for a minute.

Re: Most Canadians believe Facebook harms their mental health

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You're already in a less open, less curious state when your language is that of "blame". The more open-minded curious approach uses language more around cause and effect and studying causes vs correlations and looking for empirical evidence about how the world works. When you notice that you are looking for who to blame, then the best thing for learning is to investigate your own reactive (though perhaps very subtly…

Wow, that was rude of you. Sorry, you being judgy and condescending about my mental state and whether I am or not curious is not conducive to a conversation here. I'll let you have the last word.

Oh, oops, I'm sorry about my sloppy writing that seemed rude. I intended the generic "you". I see now how that failed to come across.

I wrote:

> You're already in a less open, less curious state when your language is that of "blame".

And DUH, that reads first to almost anyone (including myself on re-reading) as "you (yes, you, person I'm replying to) are in a less open state… blah blah blah"

When what I meant to express was the other way around in the emphasis. The better edit could be:

When our language is that of "blame", it's a good indicator of being in a less open, less curious state.

And I only mean that in terms of a general idea that being in a blaming mindset is a common thing, and it's not as conducive to real curious learning as other ways of talking about something.

I didn't really know what your mindset was before, but I think I now know that at least after reading my poorly-phrased post, you then were in a triggered and reactive state. I'm sorry about that. Thanks for replying so that I could learn from this instead of me not noticing the issues with my post.

P.S. I think condescension is the worst derailer of any communication, and I don't blame you for reacting when you read my post as having that tone. I didn't actually have a condescending view. I get into reactive blaming states too, and I don't think I'm any better than you, and I don't think there's any shame in having common reactive feelings.

Re: Most Canadians believe Facebook harms their mental health

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I never had an issue with facebook (granted I haven't used either for years), rather instagram. When I was in college instagram really took a toll on my mental health. I'd see friends post the exact same photos as I did and get 2x-3x-4x more likes, and I'd follow people who wouldn't follow me back, It made me question my self worth or social standing. I think facebooks system of "friends" rather than "followers" and reduced emphasis on likes is much less harmful, I always felt like I was being rated in front of everyone on insta.

Looking back on it, it really bothers me because I had a lot of good friends that I am still close with, partied a lot, had good relationships, and overall had a really good college experience. I feel like instagram took a bit of that away from me. At some point I realized this and deleted the app, shortly after I was happy as could be.

Re: Most Canadians believe Facebook harms their mental health

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> People will go on a vacation and then meter out the pictures from it over months to appear like they're on perpetual vacations. I don't mind people apologizing for those. I've noticed this increasingly. It's sorta bizarre?

People won't look at a entire catalog of 100+ photos. But if you do a few at a time you will get more eye balls. People who stream usually don't dump an entire 8 hour stream in one video on YouTube. How many people would sit through the entire 8 hour video? But do clips and more people will watch more content. From what I've seen at least. (I'm not a streamer FYI) The "pretending to be on vacation" thing is super wir…

People also do this on IG

Re: Most Canadians believe Facebook harms their mental health

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post #179

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The traditional binomial assumption assumes independence of the samples, as the accepted answer states. The authors are acknowledging that this assumption does not hold.

It's an odd disclaimer. If it's a quota-based sample then the performance in terms of nominal coverage is going to look similar to a probabilistic sample (especially given the current environment for probabilistic samples, which is quite poor). Probabilistic samples don't report design effects or adjust MOEs to reflect them either, the norm is just to report a classical normal approximate binomial confidence interval…

This disclaimer is applied to pretty much all polling done online, even if the samples are weighted to match the population. If you go look at election polls, for eg., the non-IVR ones will all have something like this, or a "If this were a traditional phone poll, the margin of error would be..."

Online polls are usually done by letting people opt-in and then sorting and weighting to sample, just like phone polls. The idea though is that because they aren't reached "randomly" in the first place (as they are by war dialing phone numbers for eg.) there's additional sampling biases at play that a margin of error doesn't account for.

Leger is a legitimate polling company in Canada, and I doubt they did it any different from how they do it for election polls. I'm not sure why people are assuming this was just an unweighted facebook poll or something.

But the reality is that "traditional polls" are probably no better because of the extremely high non-response rate these days. Inertia is a thing though.

An article about this subject: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/margin-of-error-debate_n_6565...

Re: Most Canadians believe Facebook harms their mental health

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it is a sample. It's just not an unbiased sample [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample_(statistics)#Kinds_of_s...

Very unbiased. Only sampled people who were online and ostensibly only those who used Facebook. Since maybe ~60% of people use Facebook, I don't think the results speak for _all_ Canadians. If it did that's saying a lot for secondhand effects of social media platforms.

It's not a facebook poll, not sure why you thought that. It was a poll taken from a random (presumably population-reflecting) sample of Leger's online polling platform. It's not technically a random poll like wardialing in the 40s got you but it's not just an opt-in facebook poll either.

https://leger360.com/surveys/legers-north-american-tracker-o...

Re: Most Canadians believe Facebook harms their mental health

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This is a link to the actual poll details from Leger, who conducted it. Contrary to a lot of the replies here that seem to think it was just a haphazard facebook poll or something, it's an online panel poll:

https://leger360.com/surveys/legers-north-american-tracker-o...

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