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Meat and mental health: Meat eaters suffer less depression, anxiety

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Re: Meat and mental health: Meat eaters suffer less depression, anxiety

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Post by pvarangot »

girvo wrote: post #90
TheDong wrote: post #80

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Do you have any specific vitamins/nutrients in mind that have relevant mental health impacts? Ones that meat diets get, but vegan/vegetarian diets don't? From what I can tell, meat eaters are even less likely than vegans to calculate their nutritional intake (naturally so, vegans are much more likely to read ingredient and nutrient lists because how else can you shop vegan?), and the claim that it's easy to not have…

B12 is the only one that is commonly talked about needing to be supplemented as a vegan; though in Australia if you consume Soy milk, you likely already get enough as it is fortified with it. B12 deficiency can have quite profound neurological effects, though thats in pretty severe cases, IIRC

Vitamin D too. Also if you have methylation problems you may need to supplement B12 even if you are meat eater.

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Post by inside65 »

heavyset_go wrote: post #194
inside65 wrote: post #130

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Many people have not studied nutrition, or not studied it properly, and associate fats as in lipids with fat as in being overweight when this is in fact not the case and the various types of fats are both essential and provide energy to become an active person. Like you, I run 20+ miles a week, eat beef everyday and I'm the skinniest person I know.

From what I've read, there is a correlation between palmitic acid consumption, cardiovascular disease and increased mortality.

There are many considerations to take into account. Nutrition is not one size fits all, but the general rule which does apply is moderation and balance. A completely sedentary lifestyle would have higher risk for disease if they had the same diet as, for example, a professional athlete.

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

King-Aaron wrote: post #9

I'd say the first big thing to highlight is that correlation is not causation - you wouldn't want someone to take this study as proof that eating meat makes you less depressed. I would imagine that vegans (in particular vegans who chose their diet on ethical grounds) are overall more concerned about the state of the world around them - or are at least subjected to more of an echo-chamber effect from their peers - whi…

Being on an eternal guilt-trip, surrounded by killers and asphyxiating cow farts!

Surely that decreases your smarts? But have to be hip! (SCNR)

OTOH: I think this has no merit if not taken into account the larger populations where meat is taboo for some longer time, instead of the current hype.

Like Jains and some Hindus(or all?(don't know exactly)), for instance?

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Post by issa »

bluedevil2k wrote: post #143
SavantIdiot wrote: post #134

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I think you are missing a huge point. A society is made up of lots of "one person" entities. For your argument to be valid, I need to accept that you seriously believe the OP was claiming one person can fix climate change. So which is it?

People not eating meat will lower demand, the price goes down, someone who couldn’t afford meat before now can and eats the meat. Either way, that cow is getting eaten. See my other comment…Meat consumption in China is up 30% over the last 7 years and expected to continue to climb. Meat producers will find a hungry mouth somewhere in the world to feed.

I have never understood this attitude. "If I don't drive a Hummer, someone else will use the gas".

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Post by s1artibartfast »

johnNumen wrote: post #24
s1artibartfast wrote: post #15

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Interesting suspicion. What atypical mind states are associated with meat eating? It would have to be a very large effect given 95‰ of the US eats meat. I think the opposite is more likely. Atypical mind states are associated with veganism and the mood disorders.

To clarify, when I said "neurotically conscientious" I was referring to two of the traits in the Big 5 personality assessment scheme--neoroticism and conscientiousness. So not an "atypical mind state" so much as an ingrained way of viewing the world. So in response to "what personality traits would you associate with meat eaters?" I would say, closer to average levels of neuroticism and conscientiousness, and hence a…

Sorry, I misread that as "neuotypically conscientious". What you wrote makes a lot more sense now

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Post by s1artibartfast »

phnofive wrote: post #53
s1artibartfast wrote: post #15

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Interesting suspicion. What atypical mind states are associated with meat eating? It would have to be a very large effect given 95‰ of the US eats meat. I think the opposite is more likely. Atypical mind states are associated with veganism and the mood disorders.

> 95‰ Never seen that one before - assuming it's a typo here, but this is per-mil. Neat!

It is a typo formed by long press on the % key with a Motorola keyboard.

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Post by chillingeffect »

chillingeffect wrote: post #215
jiggunjer wrote: post #104

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spare me the blogs please. Its not even relevant: don't compare a meat-only diet to a low-fiber diet. All A are B but not all B are A.

I find your tone rude, dismissive, and unacceptable. Also, the page listed includes over 100 references and is reviewed by two doctors.

Sorry to see you acting out when science doesn't support your personal opinions.

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Post by girvo »

rackjack wrote: post #191
girvo wrote: post #114

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I'm in the process of writing some up as of the last few weeks -- but the core of it is "just replace any beef in your stir-frys or pasta minces with TVP cooked with a particular technique" Send me an email (its in my profile) and I'll make sure to send the link to you when I chuck them up on my site in the next week or so? But in short: rehydrate the TVP with boiling water with a cube or two of beef-style stock. Let…

If you have a website (jgirvin.com ?) I'll just keep tabs on that. Thanks for the recipe outlines.

Yep that's the one! I'll be spinning it up again with the recipe section this week :)

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Post by King-Aaron »

Ansil849 wrote: post #214
King-Aaron wrote: post #175

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Totally anecdotally, I've noticed a lot of vegans that I know have a strong leaning to socialise with other vegans, who often discuss veganism and end up with a lot of pro-vegan/anti-omnivore content on their social media feeds. So from my observations a social echo chamber exists that makes my acquaintances feel that the world urgently needs to progress towards veganism to avert social injustice/climate change/other…

As opposed to omnivores who consume normalized pro-animal death content in their regular feeds?

Not quite the same, as generally speaking people who eat meat don't make it a personality trait.
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