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Tether Fined $41M for Lying About Reserves

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Re: Tether Fined $41M for Lying About Reserves

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> there was never more than $61.5 million backing Tether, even as more 442 million coins were circulating at one point. Ah, pulling the classic "fractional reserve" I see.

Hah. At one point Tether was claiming, during the days where they were holding on to the "1:1 backing!" that they were banking $2 billion A WEEK. And yet the cryptofans were telling us we were curmudgeons for not buying into the hype (or in this case, the bullshit).

I've never seen a cryptofan defend Tether.

Re: Tether Fined $41M for Lying About Reserves

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I'm not saying they shouldn't be shut down, but I genuinely wonder how that process would work. People don't have an account with Tether itself, so how would they be able to compel people to "return?" the Tethers and get their cash back?

* They don't need to? If Tether, the company, disappeared, the market can decide what to do with the, now entirely unbacked, Tether cryptocurrency. * Tether, the company, can freeze specific Tethers they have issued, making them unusable as currency. Whoever shuts them down might be able to force them to do this en masse.

That's the thing, though, Tether is supposed to be holding all these assets and individuals are able to redeem Tethers proportionally. Leaving aside the strict notion of 1 Tether = 1 Dollar convertibility, just closing up shop would mean all those actual real world assets now belong to... who exactly?

Re: Tether Fined $41M for Lying About Reserves

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fiat debasing the currency. What I find ironic is that the crypto ecosystem still ended up with something like central banks, only in this case their mandate is make money for its owners, and they have no accountability or obligation to serve the general public.

> their mandate is make money for its owners, Isn't this pretty much the description of every company? I understand feduciary responsibilities blah blah, but if the company didn't think they could do both then they wouldn't be running the legitimate buisness. If it was started to intentionally dupe people that's an entirely different thing.

> Isn't this pretty much the description of every company?

For the most part, sure. But that's the parent's point, I think. Central banks are not companies, they are part of the public financial infrastructure of a nation (or, in the EU case, group of nations).

Re: Tether Fined $41M for Lying About Reserves

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fiat debasing the currency. What I find ironic is that the crypto ecosystem still ended up with something like central banks, only in this case their mandate is make money for its owners, and they have no accountability or obligation to serve the general public.

> their mandate is make money for its owners, Isn't this pretty much the description of every company? I understand feduciary responsibilities blah blah, but if the company didn't think they could do both then they wouldn't be running the legitimate buisness. If it was started to intentionally dupe people that's an entirely different thing.

Objectives and incentives are extremely powerful drivers of mass behavior in large organizations. Maximizing profit is a much different objective that contributing to the social good. That is why some functions are best fulfilled by non profits and government.

There world is full of cases where products or services are degraded in order to maximize profit. Has DRM ever made for a better gaming experience? Do clickbait articles result in a better informed public?

Re: Tether Fined $41M for Lying About Reserves

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> crypto ecosystem still ended up It's decades from its final form.

Perhaps. But we're, what? 10 years in and so far crypto has enabled 'I encrypted your data!' scams, caused political instability, been a vehicle for highly volatile investment (but the world wasn't hurting for such opportunities...), and served as a fine buzzword for dev teams around the world to get a sack of cash to update some systems. That's a pretty poor result for 10 years of this much investment and focus. The…

Don't forget the environmental catastrophe of all that wasted electricity generation, and driving up prices of GPUs.

Re: Tether Fined $41M for Lying About Reserves

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Lending rates for USDT on the major decentralized lending platforms are more favorable than other stablecoins.

The lending rates are higher because lenders are paid a premium for owning a potentially worthless (USDT denominated) credit. The idiom that comes to mind is "picking up pennies in front of a steamroller".

It flips back and forth with USDC, which one is higher, at least on compound.finance. Right now USDC is higher, but it's been different. Here are the historical charts (click the "borrow" tab, doesn't seem to be a way to link it with that one selected):

https://compound.finance/markets/USDC

https://compound.finance/markets/USDT

For example, on October 7, it shows USDT at over (sorry, "north of") 13%, while USDC was (sorry, "clocked in at") ~5%.

Re: Tether Fined $41M for Lying About Reserves

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The lending rates are higher because lenders are paid a premium for owning a potentially worthless (USDT denominated) credit. The idiom that comes to mind is "picking up pennies in front of a steamroller".

Basic question: why doesn't this affect the currency pair exchange rate? If lending rates reflect the (realistic!) idea that holding 1 USDT is less valuable than holding 1 USD, how does 1 USDT trade at par?

I'm assuming because a lot of people would lose a lot of money if it stops trading 1:1.

Re: Tether Fined $41M for Lying About Reserves

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The SEC is in the business of protecting investors not destroying peoples savings over a few inaccuracies. Why would misleading statements ever result in a shutdown of a company instead of a fine?

Because the "misleading statement" (i.e. deliberate lie) is the entire basis of Tether's business. The service they claim to provide is fiat backing for their cryptocurrency and they didn't do that. That's not "a few inaccuracies", it's fraud.

Isn’t the basis of the business that tethers are exchangeable for USD? Have they failed to provide USD when asked?

Re: Tether Fined $41M for Lying About Reserves

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> there was never more than $61.5 million backing Tether, even as more 442 million coins were circulating at one point. Ah, pulling the classic "fractional reserve" I see.

fiat debasing the currency. What I find ironic is that the crypto ecosystem still ended up with something like central banks, only in this case their mandate is make money for its owners, and they have no accountability or obligation to serve the general public.

> What I find ironic is that the crypto ecosystem still ended up with something like central banks, only in this case their mandate is make money for its owners, and they have no accountability or obligation to serve the general public

So, like private currency-printing banks before government monopolies (and like private banks, which subject to central regulation still create money though they don't print currency), not like central banks.

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