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Re: PinePhone Pro Announced

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Post by marcellus23 »

unexpected wrote: post #180
djent wrote: post #163

It is frustrating to me that despite the blunt verbiage about it being a beta device for software and hardware developers, people even here are griping about it being not ready for everyday use. If a free and open-source mobile operating system is missing software support for a feature you want, please contribute to its development.

I feel like programmers have become "soft". I bet the old guard is okay with something like this - a lot of C, C++, assembly skills - this is what it meant to mess around with computers! Now, you can just be modifying CSS and call yourself a programmer. You get one of these devices, and you're sorely disappointed!

> a lot of C, C++, assembly skills - this is what it meant to mess around with computers!

I can't believe this is getting upvoted on HN. What kind of gatekeeping elitist bullshit is this?

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Post by TobTobXX »

officeplant wrote: post #176
djent wrote: post #163

It is frustrating to me that despite the blunt verbiage about it being a beta device for software and hardware developers, people even here are griping about it being not ready for everyday use. If a free and open-source mobile operating system is missing software support for a feature you want, please contribute to its development.

As a owner of many pine64 products I wish there was a clear path to learning how to contribute. My last time coding was C++ class over 16 years ago and I wish I had some sort of idea on how to get started with hobby programming in my spare time as an adult. Edit// Especially since I've jumped on the ARM bandwagon and replaced my desktop with an M1 mac and my laptop with a Pinebook Pro.

btw, being on arm makes Pinephone development easier, since you don't have to cross compile.

Re: PinePhone Pro Announced

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Post by [deleted] »

gorgoiler wrote: post #127
LeifCarrotson wrote: post #119

It has a Quectel EG25-G modem. I've not used this particular device, but I have used Quectel GNSS modules, and they've been a surprisingly helpful company to work with. I'm a nobody, and working with Sony, Trimble, or ublox has been an exercise in frustration; you have to convince a salesperson that you're a big company and you can sell thousands of devices in order to just read the datasheet. This one does have some…

Is an LTE band the same as a category? (As in the iPhone X was the first cat16 capable device, for example.)

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Re: PinePhone Pro Announced

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Post by bluGill »

drewda wrote: post #151

I recall seeing pictures and notes about a PinePhone with a physical keyboard. Is that actually under development as well? Or is that just someone's experiment?

Yes, someone else posed a link to the full update elsewhere. The keyboard should be shipping soon.

Or you can use a USB-c adapter to use any USB keyboard today.

Re: PinePhone Pro Announced

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Post by necrotic_comp »

nottaylorswift wrote: post #198
necrotic_comp wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's how I'm seeing this - as a mini linux computer with the ability to make calls and send text messages at some point in the future. Just a linux computer with a cellular modem sounds amazing to me, tbh.

Then buy any of the 3 billion Android handsets. Most average $100 and were out of beta in 08'.

Android handsets aren't really linux boxes. I can't ssh into them, I can't write little python scripts, etc. An actual, general purpose, real foss portable phone factor computer will be amazing as it matures.

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Post by bluGill »

CameronNemo wrote: post #140
smokelegend wrote: post #133

4GB mem.....? Really 4GB? That's it? Would it really have been that bad to at least offer a 8GB, 16GB, or 32GB Memory upgrade. Just feels like a huge let down. I get it the price of electronics(i.e. memory) is more expensive, but this makes it look like a joke in comparison with other "phones". And if it were marketed as a mini computer 4GB of ram isn't saying much. Hexacore processor, 128GB Emmc storage awesome but…

That is the limit for the rk3399 SoC. I'm surprised they did not wait for the rk3588, or just use a Mediatek Dimensity SoC. If you are based in Europe, you may be interested in the Fairphone 4, which has 6 or 8 GB of RAM.

Pine64 has other CPUs they can work with, but they are not well supported yet. I wouldn't be surprised to see another phone rev with a much better CPU in the future once the Quarts-64 line starts working well. Right now the people who can do that work already have plenty of hardware to work with, while people who can do phone work really want a somewhat faster CPU now.

Re: PinePhone Pro Announced

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Post by Arch-TK »

julienchastang wrote: post #81

One thing I will note is how absolutely essential smart phones have become to our daily existence. A colleague's phone recently broke and her life shutdown because she could not 2fa anywhere, including for reporting her time card, etc. As a result, I cannot take any risks when purchasing a phone. I have to have the most reliable option possible.

>As a result, I cannot take any risks when purchasing a phone.

Or you could make better choices when it comes to how you organise your life so that you do not get in situations where losing your phone completely screws you over.

Seriously I don't get why people wilfully get into situations where important things in their life rest on the reliability of their phone.

It takes a minimal amount of awareness. And there's no excuse for it. My life is not massively negatively impacted by just refusing to be get chained to a phone.

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Post by darkwater »

Is there any real technical reason that forbid a non Android underdog phone maker like Pine64 to be able to run banking apps as MFA devices? I mean, I don't see any tech issue for this phone to provide a secure enclave chip (I mean, like one in a yubikey) and enroll in a standard WebAuthn workflow. I'm specifically looking at UE banks regulations that forces me to use my Android phone to permit/deny any operation instead of letting me use if I want my yubikey to do the same in the browser

Re: PinePhone Pro Announced

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Post by codezero »

This looks neat and I appreciate how clear they are about expectation setting. With that said it's disappointing to see only Bluetooth 4.1. A lot of modern devices rely on features from 5.0 either for low power usage, or bi-directional high quality audio.

It seems fine for a general productivity device, but not for things like video conferencing, or media consumption, which I guess aligns with their inability to support DRM.

Re: PinePhone Pro Announced

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Post by milbertson »

marcellus23 wrote: post #201
unexpected wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like programmers have become "soft". I bet the old guard is okay with something like this - a lot of C, C++, assembly skills - this is what it meant to mess around with computers! Now, you can just be modifying CSS and call yourself a programmer. You get one of these devices, and you're sorely disappointed!

> a lot of C, C++, assembly skills - this is what it meant to mess around with computers! I can't believe this is getting upvoted on HN. What kind of gatekeeping elitist bullshit is this?

Though a bit elitist, his comment isn't discouraging anybody, and does hold some truth in that getting closer to the hardware allows you to do things you can't do otherwise.

I feel like it's unfair to disparage him as harshly as that.

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