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Re: Meat and mental health: Meat eaters suffer less depression, anxiety

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Post by icey »

valtism wrote: post #188
icey wrote: post #115

An anecdote: I have been 100% carnivore for the past two months. The last vegetable I ate was in August. I’ve eaten 10 grams of carbs in that time period (in the form of vitamin C tablets early on), and zero fiber. My anxiety levels are subjectively lower, I’ve had fewer instances of insomnia, I’ve lost 20lbs of water + fat weight while maintaining an active lifestyle (standing desk all day + running 20+ miles a week…

Are you worried about the impact your diet has on the environment?

I don’t own a car. I take public transportation everywhere. I recycle, compost, and consume very little electricity at home. Eating slightly more meat isn’t going to significantly change my environmental footprint.

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Post by ryathal »

bluedevil2k wrote: post #72
Omnitaus wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

bowel cancer, IBS, diverticulitis, heart disease

Yet many claim keto diets have cured their digestive issues.

Keto is generally emphasizes high fiber vegetables and flour substitutes that also generally have higher fiber.

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Post by pg_1234 »

King-Aaron wrote: post #9

I'd say the first big thing to highlight is that correlation is not causation - you wouldn't want someone to take this study as proof that eating meat makes you less depressed. I would imagine that vegans (in particular vegans who chose their diet on ethical grounds) are overall more concerned about the state of the world around them - or are at least subjected to more of an echo-chamber effect from their peers - whi…

Lack of a conscience leaves you suffering less depression and anxiety ... it also lets you feel more comfortable eating the flesh of another being.

Perhaps this is less a case of causality, and more a case of correlation ... specifically with where you are on the sliding scale towards full sociopathy.

p.s. I say this as someone who eats meat and knows it is objectively immoral.

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Post by Ansil849 »

King-Aaron wrote: post #175
Ansil849 wrote: post #135

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I don't at all see how you managed to jump to the conclusion that vegans are "or are at least subjected to more of an echo-chamber effect from their peers". This seems entirely unfounded.

Totally anecdotally, I've noticed a lot of vegans that I know have a strong leaning to socialise with other vegans, who often discuss veganism and end up with a lot of pro-vegan/anti-omnivore content on their social media feeds. So from my observations a social echo chamber exists that makes my acquaintances feel that the world urgently needs to progress towards veganism to avert social injustice/climate change/other…

As opposed to omnivores who consume normalized pro-animal death content in their regular feeds?

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Post by chillingeffect »

jiggunjer wrote: post #104
chillingeffect wrote: post #57

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effects are listed among others here: https://selfhacked.com/blog/carnivore-diet/

spare me the blogs please. Its not even relevant: don't compare a meat-only diet to a low-fiber diet. All A are B but not all B are A.

I find your tone rude, dismissive, and unacceptable. Also, the page listed includes over 100 references and is reviewed by two doctors.

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Post by cyounkins »

chmod600 wrote: post #184
cyounkins wrote: post #54

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Of the B vitamins, vegans (and to a lesser extent, vegetarians) only need to supplement B12. B12 is produced by bacteria but can be obtained in meat and animal products. Historically we got plenty from unsterilized water.

Do you have a citation about the unsterilized water? I would guess that lots of things had bacteria, but not in large enough quantities to supply enough B12. It would need to be accumulated somehow. Cows have special hardware in their digestive tract to cultivate bacteria that can supply the B12. Why would that exist if cows could just get it from unsterilized water?

I got this from Dr. Greger at NutritionFacts.org, "We presumably used to get B12 drinking out of a mountain stream or well water, based on studies showing vegetarians in developing countries who drink purified water appear to be at higher risk." [1].

He references a paper [2] which states "Logistic regression analysis showed independent association between use of RO water and Vitamin B12 deficiency" in Western India.

That evidence isn't as iron-clad as I would like, and I haven't been able to find any study directly measuring B12 in city/well/stream water.

I don't know much about cow digestive systems, but I know evolution has created many weird solutions across different animals. The cow GI system is very different from humans (4 large stomach parts, sometimes referred to as separate stomachs) which is different from cats (obligate carnivores).

[1] https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-symptoms-of-vitamin-B12...

[2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27437269

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Post by nautilius »

xboxnolifes wrote: post #148
mmcgaha wrote: post #33

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So you think hunters and people tend livestock eat less meat?

I'll truly never understand how the automatic reply to every comment about population statistics always attacks the idea of an outlier that prevents the 100%, as if it's an all or nothing situation.

And it’s extra wrong here, as the sum of all consumption would absolutely go down, regardless of whether the outliers contribute or not.

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Post by chmod600 »

cyounkins wrote: post #216
chmod600 wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a citation about the unsterilized water? I would guess that lots of things had bacteria, but not in large enough quantities to supply enough B12. It would need to be accumulated somehow. Cows have special hardware in their digestive tract to cultivate bacteria that can supply the B12. Why would that exist if cows could just get it from unsterilized water?

I got this from Dr. Greger at NutritionFacts.org, "We presumably used to get B12 drinking out of a mountain stream or well water, based on studies showing vegetarians in developing countries who drink purified water appear to be at higher risk." [1]. He references a paper [2] which states "Logistic regression analysis showed independent association between use of RO water and Vitamin B12 deficiency" in Western India.…

Interesting. Might be a case of "all of the above", where the people who get into real trouble do so because they defeat all the sources.

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Post by justshowpost »

hhs wrote: post #91
King-Aaron wrote: post #9

I'd say the first big thing to highlight is that correlation is not causation - you wouldn't want someone to take this study as proof that eating meat makes you less depressed. I would imagine that vegans (in particular vegans who chose their diet on ethical grounds) are overall more concerned about the state of the world around them - or are at least subjected to more of an echo-chamber effect from their peers - whi…

> I'd say the first big thing to highlight is A second big thing to highlight is the study disclosure at the bottom of this article. Four of the six authors "have previously received funding from the Beef Checkoff, through the National Cattlemen’s Beef Association."

The New York Times would say “experts say the exodus was fueled by QAnon conspiracy theories which have flourished as Facebook refuses to remove them.”

The Guardian is an extremely liberal paper, but they simply do not approach the level of disinformation that you see in American papers.

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Post by pvarangot »

bluedevil2k wrote: post #72
Omnitaus wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

bowel cancer, IBS, diverticulitis, heart disease

Yet many claim keto diets have cured their digestive issues.

Eating less sugar and replacing it with nuts and seeds, and not eating starchy vegetables and replacing them with leafy greens will increase your fiber consumption like 4x or 5x. I seriously doubt someone doing like bacon butter and steak keto will claim improvements in their digestive issues unless they were like very sensitive to an allergen or something and didn't know it.
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