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The Decline of Django

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Re: The Decline of Django

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Post by nuerow »

ledauphin wrote: post #115
nuerow wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What??? 4 and 5 are legit complaints, the rest is literally the nittiest of picks, in my opinion. I'd argue that 4) (async support) is the only meaningful point and 5) , given it's a Python framework, is at most a nice-to-have. But yes, this article is a complete waste of a click.

I'd recommend giving a bit more weight to the experiences of other developers. Static typing in Python has become fairly widespread and even idiomatic in some circles, even if you haven't experienced that yet.

> I'd recommend giving a bit more weight to the experiences of other developers. Static typing in Python has become fairly widespread and even idiomatic in some circles, even if you haven't experienced that yet.

You should really refrain from filling in the void in your understanding or knowledge of anyone else's experience with output from your imagination.

Also, I'm not sure you noticed the absurdity of trying to sell Python's type hints as being "idiomatic in some circles" when you're discussing a specific circle of Python which is renowned for not using type hints at all.

Re: The Decline of Django

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Post by sly010 »

caspii wrote: post #93
zzzeek wrote: post #77

> Django looks like the 40 years old guy who feels "in" using Facebook, while everyone else is already using Instagram or TikTok. wow fuck ageist bullshit like this. everyone knows I'm no big Django advocate but what is the point of a blog post like this? I'm not seeing how effort spent on writing articles like this makes the world better for anybody, including the author. Go create something? >But what if tomorrow,…

To continue this metaphor: If I was hiring a skipper to sail my family over the Atlantic, I would absolutely hire the "lame" 40 year old and not the hip 20 year old

I don't necessarily disagree with you (I generally prefer tried and true), but to turn that metaphor around, there were (probably) many advancements in sailing since the olden days in the field navigation, communication and weather forecast, etc, so a younger or more up-to-date sailboat might have a better time predicting and dodging storms, or even shortening the journey. And any decent skipper would be taking advantage of technologies, even though he/she _could_ navigate with a compass and sextant if needed.

Re: The Decline of Django

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Post by _hilro »

iainctduncan wrote: post #105

This article is a cry for attention, at best. I suppose yet another dev bought into the "you should start blogging to become a thought leader". However, it reveals character traits that won't be helping the author: shitty writing, ageism, negativity, and blaming. Seriously author, you did not help yourself.

He's "CTO as a service"

Imagine turning up to a job and this guy is in charge of decisions...shudder.

Re: The Decline of Django

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Post by [deleted] »

sly010 wrote: post #122
caspii wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To continue this metaphor: If I was hiring a skipper to sail my family over the Atlantic, I would absolutely hire the "lame" 40 year old and not the hip 20 year old

I don't necessarily disagree with you (I generally prefer tried and true), but to turn that metaphor around, there were (probably) many advancements in sailing since the olden days in the field navigation, communication and weather forecast, etc, so a younger or more up-to-date sailboat might have a better time predicting and dodging storms, or even shortening the journey. And any decent skipper would be taking advan…

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Re: The Decline of Django

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Post by [deleted] »

sly010 wrote: post #122
caspii wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To continue this metaphor: If I was hiring a skipper to sail my family over the Atlantic, I would absolutely hire the "lame" 40 year old and not the hip 20 year old

I don't necessarily disagree with you (I generally prefer tried and true), but to turn that metaphor around, there were (probably) many advancements in sailing since the olden days in the field navigation, communication and weather forecast, etc, so a younger or more up-to-date sailboat might have a better time predicting and dodging storms, or even shortening the journey. And any decent skipper would be taking advan…

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Re: The Decline of Django

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Post by eirki »

nicolaslem wrote: post #79
jonnycomputer wrote: post #48

Found lots of things rubbed me the wrong way about this post, though tbh I really haven't done Django dev; only Flask. I'll just nitpick on their bagging on Pycharm. Pycharm is great. Frankly, I like it better than VS Code; though I do grant VS Code has its strengths, especially as a lightweight capable code editor.

Frankly VS Code scares me. Just like Google Chrome, it went from nothing to being the IDE that everyone use. Just like Google Chrome it is backed by a corporation that does not have the user's best interest in mind. Now I read an article that basically explains that Django is declining because of its poor support in VS Code, that cannot be a good sign.

I think the comparison between VS Code and Chrome is spot on. Monoculture in the text editor/IDE space is a very real risk right now.

Re: The Decline of Django

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Post by smorgusofborg »

sly010 wrote: post #122
caspii wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To continue this metaphor: If I was hiring a skipper to sail my family over the Atlantic, I would absolutely hire the "lame" 40 year old and not the hip 20 year old

I don't necessarily disagree with you (I generally prefer tried and true), but to turn that metaphor around, there were (probably) many advancements in sailing since the olden days in the field navigation, communication and weather forecast, etc, so a younger or more up-to-date sailboat might have a better time predicting and dodging storms, or even shortening the journey. And any decent skipper would be taking advan…

> even though he/she _could_ navigate with a compass and sextant if needed.

The person with 22 years experience could fall back like this thanks to survivor bias, the person with 2 years experience might have been lucky so far.

I had to wonder what FB chose as a cultural strategy that left them down for hours when other companies can recover virtually anything in under an hour and if a focus on being less cool and less ageist would have helped them.

Re: The Decline of Django

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Post by mrzool »

_hilro wrote: post #123
iainctduncan wrote: post #105

This article is a cry for attention, at best. I suppose yet another dev bought into the "you should start blogging to become a thought leader". However, it reveals character traits that won't be helping the author: shitty writing, ageism, negativity, and blaming. Seriously author, you did not help yourself.

He's "CTO as a service" Imagine turning up to a job and this guy is in charge of decisions...shudder.

> CTO as a service

Jesus Christ.

Re: The Decline of Django

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Post by abledon »

ldiracdelta wrote: post #32

Never used anything but Django REST Framework as far as Django goes. Couldn't be happier. Love the ORM. https://www.django-rest-framework.org/ (I have other controversial opinions like GraphQL is the new XML SOAP)

> (I have other controversial opinions like GraphQL is the new XML SOAP)

Wow, that is a funny observation haha, hope to see a post expounding on that idea on HN someday

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