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Launch HN: Inflow (YC S21) – Self-help app for people with ADHD

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Re: Launch HN: Inflow (YC S21) – Self-help app for people with ADHD

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Post by rStar »

mysterydip wrote: post #85
msluyter wrote: post #65

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Re: "where did I put that" -- I got a set of Apple airtags recently and they've been a godsend. I also have an apple watch, so via the watch I can find my phone, and via the phone I can find my wallet/keys/etc... They're awesome. Re: reminders, one thing I've noticed with any sort of reminder system based on alerts/notifications, is that while they work for a while, eventually my brain just starts ignoring the alerts…

Yes exactly! The alarm goes off that says "empty the dishwasher" and my brain says "yup it's 7:15," then goes on to something else before I digest what the alarm is for. I'll definitely check out airtags, thanks!

what i love is how apple takes advantage of my disability to steal all of my privacy with airtags and find my. i use it all the time but i f apple under my breath every time.

Re: Launch HN: Inflow (YC S21) – Self-help app for people with ADHD

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Post by Geeflow »

mrkurt wrote: post #174
eh9 wrote: post #172

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Why do you think you can’t do anything else? There’s different trial methods. Shorter subscription periods. OPT-in models.

There are no free trial subscriptions with opt-in "continue paying" as far as I know. I mean, why would Apple and Google build that? They make more money with trial + automatic billing.

I once built such a trial option myself. You could start a free trial (just within the app, no "native trial" involved) and then sign up for the paid plan with native in-app purchases once it ran out.

It got rejected by Apple. They insisted I use the native app store trial which is opt-out.

Re: Launch HN: Inflow (YC S21) – Self-help app for people with ADHD

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Post by lucasmullens »

mrkurt wrote: post #174
eh9 wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think you can’t do anything else? There’s different trial methods. Shorter subscription periods. OPT-in models.

There are no free trial subscriptions with opt-in "continue paying" as far as I know. I mean, why would Apple and Google build that? They make more money with trial + automatic billing.

Of course they support an opt-in model, they can't really choose to not support it. The "free trial" can just be the app giving you all the features for a week, and then the app can prompt you to sign up (opt-in) for a subscription with Apple/Google when that ends. No CC number until after the trial ends.

EDIT: I'm wrong, comment next to mine says Apple has rejected this. Maybe Google wouldn't though?

Re: Launch HN: Inflow (YC S21) – Self-help app for people with ADHD

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Post by mmsmatt »

Pick a few features and make them the free tier. Upsell some premium content, or have a “first three goals are free” model, unlimited goals in the subscription.

Anything but paying up front for a year.

If there was a free tier I’d download and try it.

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Post by mrkurt »

jnovek wrote: post #183
mrkurt wrote: post #46

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It's fair to criticize this, but it's worth noting that this is how subscriptions work in Google / Apple app stores. You really can't do anything else.

I have ADHD, so wearing my consumer hat for a moment, I guess I just don’t really care. It’s their problem to figure out how to present their product to me in a compelling way that I am willing to pay for. I don’t open my wallet just because I feel bad for starving founders.

Yes that's true. But when we're talking about this on Hacker News, it's interesting to talk about the why. Especially when the why is "Google and Apple make more money this way".

Re: Launch HN: Inflow (YC S21) – Self-help app for people with ADHD

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Post by rStar »

sebisaacsinflow wrote: post #118
542458 wrote: post #7

At risk of asking a stupid question, have you had people without ADHD try your app? Does this type of CBT have any potential benefits for non-neurodiverse people?

Not a stupid question at all! ADHD impacts executive functioning which a lot of people struggle with whether they qualify for a diagnosis of ADHD or not. While we have had users who don't have a diagnosis of ADHD use the app, naturally the benefits are felt a lot more by people who know they have ADHD.

hey sebisaacsinflow. i’m a nuero non typical, and i have a lot of hate for your company, and now, for you personally, sir. this app takes advantage of my mental state, and i would just like to state that one big time for the record. gfy.

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Post by dec0dedab0de »

crdrost wrote: post #162
sebisaacsinflow wrote: post #101

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- Opt in free trial without putting in card details - Longer free trial - One-off purchase vs subscription - Web sign-up In addition to these we also send email and notification reminders before the free trial ends and refund everybody who requests one.

Consider also “we only charge you at the end of the month if you actually used it” or so. Can be a much more difficult revenue model but user trust is way higher when you make that sort of commitment and if you are indeed struggling with getting user trust, it could be a lifesaver.

This is the only honest way to do automatic payments, and I think it should be a legal requirement for streaming services, gyms, and anything else that charges recurring fees and has the means to track usage. I would even be ok with "we'll charge you for this month, but since you didn't use it we will suspend your service and stop billing you"

I don't know of any services that do this though. So I assume they are all dishonest.

Re: Launch HN: Inflow (YC S21) – Self-help app for people with ADHD

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Post by dec0dedab0de »

dec0dedab0de wrote: post #42
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #2

I wish you luck! I have the opposite issue. I'm ... what do you call it? neurodiverse (at one time, I was an "aspie"), and I can actually get locked into a fugue, so strong, that hours go by like minutes. In the aggregate, it has worked out OK. I'm a damn good programmer (but a total nerd). I do have family that have suffered from ADHD, and hope that your app may be helpful.

As others have mentioned, "Hyperfocus". is one of the symptoms of ADHD. ADHD is really a misnomer, it should be called Attention control disorder. The famous hyperactivity part that annoys parents and teachers is really just a way to self treat. Exercise in general helps, and one of the hypotheses I have heard is that the ADHD brain evolved to be constantly moving, and is only a problem with our modern stoic lifestyl…

It's too late to edit, but after reading about the subscription model, I will not be trying this app.
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