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Launch HN: Inflow (YC S21) – Self-help app for people with ADHD

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Re: Launch HN: Inflow (YC S21) – Self-help app for people with ADHD

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Post by zarkov99 »

WhiteDawn wrote: post #74

As someone with ADHD, I’ve stayed away from this product because it is a subscription service. I will sign up for subscription services fully well intentioned and then proceed to not use the service and forget to cancel it in time. I know myself well enough now to stay away from any product offering a subscription. There is no real “managing” it, it’s just a fact of life for me and something I live around. An app tar…

Have you tried Privacy.com ? Even for people with no ADHD the subscription trap is very real but there are technological solutions.

Re: Launch HN: Inflow (YC S21) – Self-help app for people with ADHD

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Post by crdrost »

sebisaacsinflow wrote: post #101
yummypaint wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Such as?

- Opt in free trial without putting in card details - Longer free trial - One-off purchase vs subscription - Web sign-up In addition to these we also send email and notification reminders before the free trial ends and refund everybody who requests one.

Consider also “we only charge you at the end of the month if you actually used it” or so. Can be a much more difficult revenue model but user trust is way higher when you make that sort of commitment and if you are indeed struggling with getting user trust, it could be a lifesaver.

Re: Launch HN: Inflow (YC S21) – Self-help app for people with ADHD

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Post by rm8x »

mysterydip wrote: post #82
beaconstudios wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you might want to try Notion or Evernote something like that; externalised memory is generally served by note-taking apps. Roam is also good, if you don't like organising your notes hierarchically. Remembering to use it is not an issue of memory, but of habituation; there are decent habit-tracking apps like habitica to help with that. Of course, the first habit you'll want to build is the habit of using a habit track…

My phone says I have 219 notes, many of which are pages long. I need a better way to organize them, especially when I need to add something. Large flat files of text get difficult to use. Maybe the apps you mentioned address that in some way, I'll have to look.

give Obsidian a look

Re: Launch HN: Inflow (YC S21) – Self-help app for people with ADHD

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Post by zarkov99 »

mStreamTeam wrote: post #30
skeletron wrote: post #22

Many of the reviews of the Android app are quite critical of the trial and payment model, for example: > CAUTION: After the free trial period (7 days), they will charge for an annual subscription ($102.95 US). This is OPT OUT, not opt in. In other reviews they say they will offer a refund (I will update when/if I get one) but for an app for people with executive function issues, an opt out format seems shady. Either…

As someone with ADHD, I can confirm this model is super predatory. I cancel all my credit cards every year just to get rid of all opt-in charges on regular basis

Try Privacy.com that should help you manage your subscriptions a lot better.

Re: Launch HN: Inflow (YC S21) – Self-help app for people with ADHD

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Post by joyeuse6701 »

skeletron wrote: post #22

Many of the reviews of the Android app are quite critical of the trial and payment model, for example: > CAUTION: After the free trial period (7 days), they will charge for an annual subscription ($102.95 US). This is OPT OUT, not opt in. In other reviews they say they will offer a refund (I will update when/if I get one) but for an app for people with executive function issues, an opt out format seems shady. Either…

Presumably for the same reason opt-in is a problem too.

Re: Launch HN: Inflow (YC S21) – Self-help app for people with ADHD

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Post by mStreamTeam »

samhw wrote: post #154
mStreamTeam wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're using quotes but I never said those words. Never speak on my behalf again. It's insulting. I don't want them to do it for free. I want then to not make a predatory product. I want them to make their money through a more honest business And if they can't do that, I want them to do nothing

Right, again, not wanting them to make it at all is a different point. You were proposing that they make it free of charge. (As for 'quoting you', it's called paraphrasing. I'd have hoped it was rather obvious I was not suggesting that you said those exact words.)

I never proposed they make it free of charge. I said the best model for their community is free and open source. The point of saying that is to make a contrast with their current predatory model.

And thats why I don't want you quoting me or paraphrasing me. You're putting words into my mouth that I never said or even implied. And once again, I find it extremely insulting.

I'm going to make it clear so you don't do it again. I want then to make an honest business model and to stop this predatory one

Re: Launch HN: Inflow (YC S21) – Self-help app for people with ADHD

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Post by DiabloD3 »

I just perused through the website (as someone who is diagnosed with Asperger's, now part of the ASD, and may also be underdiagnosed and need to deal with the reality of having ADHD as well), I find it highly suspect that YC would fund this company.

None of what this website claims their website does aligns with any description of CBT for ADHD I've ever seen (either from practitioners, or from good friends of mine who undergo such therapy), and also is rife with "this app helps user do things in a self-directed manner" when having an executive disfunction is at the core of ADHD(!), as if the developers behind this app have never had ADHD and didn't even bother reading Wikipedia, let alone any actual research.

The billing system seems to be incredibly predatory as well, another typical anti-pattern used by companies that try to trap people with mental disorders.

Can someone from YC actually go on record and say this is part of YC S21? I don't see it listed officially from YC anywhere.

Re: Launch HN: Inflow (YC S21) – Self-help app for people with ADHD

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Post by rileypetersen »

skeletron wrote: post #22

Many of the reviews of the Android app are quite critical of the trial and payment model, for example: > CAUTION: After the free trial period (7 days), they will charge for an annual subscription ($102.95 US). This is OPT OUT, not opt in. In other reviews they say they will offer a refund (I will update when/if I get one) but for an app for people with executive function issues, an opt out format seems shady. Either…

Can confirm: subscribed, never used it, and was charged $102 a week later. I was issued a refund after requesting one through the app store.

Re: Launch HN: Inflow (YC S21) – Self-help app for people with ADHD

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Post by PragmaticPulp »

> The average cost of an in-person ADHD CBT session in the US is $200-300 ($10k-$16k/year).

This is not true at all. If anyone is considering ADHD therapy, please do not let such misleading figures dissuade you.

For anyone with insurance, the average cost of a therapy session is often as little as a $15-25 copay. You could get 4-6 in-person, personalized therapy sessions with an experienced provider for the same price as the annual fee of this app, depending on your insurance.

Even self-pay therapists don't charge $200-300 unless you look at the most expensive cities like NYC [1]. The average self-pay cost is going to be closer to $125 in most regions, though providers often have what's called "sliding scale" charges for low-income patients that go much lower.

The $10K-$16K per year figure is also extremely misleading. In the United States, the annual out-of-pocket maximum for an insurance plan is capped at $8,700 for an individual in a given year [2]. Mental and behavioral healthcare is covered as an essential health benefit [3]. It's not possible to spend $16K per year on any services unless you attend providers that don't accept insurance, which is exceedingly rare. Don't let any apps scare you away from professional services by quoting unbelievably high numbers.

If anyone is considering therapy, please visit your health insurance website and check the cost. Don't be discouraged by anyone trying to sell you alternatives. For most people with insurance (including government health insurance in the United States), several sessions are going to be cheaper than this app and will also provide more personalized, in-person care.

[1] https://blog.zencare.co/therapy-fees-private-practice-by-cit...

[2] https://www.healthcare.gov/glossary/out-of-pocket-maximum-li...

[3] https://www.healthcare.gov/coverage/mental-health-substance-...

Re: Launch HN: Inflow (YC S21) – Self-help app for people with ADHD

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Post by suzzer99 »

dec0dedab0de wrote: post #42
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #2

I wish you luck! I have the opposite issue. I'm ... what do you call it? neurodiverse (at one time, I was an "aspie"), and I can actually get locked into a fugue, so strong, that hours go by like minutes. In the aggregate, it has worked out OK. I'm a damn good programmer (but a total nerd). I do have family that have suffered from ADHD, and hope that your app may be helpful.

As others have mentioned, "Hyperfocus". is one of the symptoms of ADHD. ADHD is really a misnomer, it should be called Attention control disorder. The famous hyperactivity part that annoys parents and teachers is really just a way to self treat. Exercise in general helps, and one of the hypotheses I have heard is that the ADHD brain evolved to be constantly moving, and is only a problem with our modern stoic lifestyl…

What's the difference between hyperfocus and flow state?
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