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Google Buys Motorola For $12.5 Billion

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Re: Google Buys Motorola For $12.5 Billion

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You don't spend $12.5 billion on a device maker for patents; You just buy the damn patents. (~_~)

I actually was far more bullish on Android's prospects before given the rapid device growth, the de facto stealing of Symbian's marketshare and the adoption of the platform as a basic and functional OS for most users. However, as a strategy I think this is quite flawed initially.

As a device maker, Motorola Mobility would be a good play for HTC or Samsung. They'd be integrating an established maker with contracts, devices, patents, etc. For the platform maker to outright buy them would immediately put most other makers on guard.

What guarantee do you have that Google won't favor Motorola? How do you know that they will keep things on an equal footing? You don't. Case in point: travel comparison on AdWords. Google has shown their willingness to integrate vertically and throw valued customers under the bus.

In the long run, it makes absolutely zero sense for Google to keep Motorola as "just another device maker" in the Android ecosystem. They most likely will give it lip service for a year, try and fight off some patent suits and then slowly integrate things much more tightly. I think they're betting that they can become another Apple in terms of integration with Android not being overly harmed by other vendors fleeing to Microsoft. It is the logical strategy - the one driven by reality, not some PR spin of being "open".

Re: Google Buys Motorola For $12.5 Billion

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>GOOG is a s/w company and not a manufacturer. Fanboys used to say the same thing about MS when they were working on the first Xbox, and they came out looking pretty silly for it. The first one was a bit clunky, but the second one, especially with Kinect, is gangbusters. Integrating Motorola won't be as big a problem as you make it out for a company as smart and well funded Google.

I'm not sure that's the example I'd use. They sunk billions in the first on for little to show for it. Billions fixing broken xboxes in the second one and only recently have begun to gather some steam -- and even then it was helped by Sony's numerous missteps.

"Only recently?" If not for the $1B RROD write-down in 2008, Microsoft would have been profitable then. MS has been making money off Xbox ever since that writedown.

Re: Google Buys Motorola For $12.5 Billion

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Wow, those quotes all sound the same... it's almost eerie. We welcome today’s news, which demonstrates Google’s deep commitment to defending Android, its partners, and the ecosystem. We welcome the news of today‘s acquisition, which demonstrates that Google is deeply committed to defending Android, its partners, and the entire ecosystem. I welcome Google‘s commitment to defending Android and its partners. We welcome…

You don't actually think the CEOs said those things, do you? Google's PR people would have written to them saying "can we quote you as saying X?", and they would have written back saying either "sure, that sounds fine" or "no, use this quote instead: ...".

You might be right, though I would think that even a PR person would have tried to introduce some variability to make it sound believable.

I don't really know how these things typically work.

Re: Google Buys Motorola For $12.5 Billion

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It's not his son though, it's a grown man that he legally adopted simply to gain control of some land rights and which he promptly signed over to help build a railway. Google's more likely to throw Motorola under the bus to advance Android than vice versa. Having Android on 80% of all devices is worth it.

The problem is, to get off of the analogy, that Google will be very tempted to design a great iPhone compete device. It's no secret that the iPhone is the best HW/SW integration on the market. For the first time Google can actually build something with no compromises w/ respect to Android. I think Google's next play will be telling. Will they: 1) Buy a HW design/integration company - ala Intrinsity. or 2) Spin off Mo…

> The problem is, to get off of the analogy, that Google will be very tempted to design a great iPhone compete device. It's no secret that the iPhone is the best HW/SW integration on the market. For the first time Google can actually build something with no compromises w/ respect to Android.

I fail to see how this is a "problem". If Google keeps Android open, others can compete by doing great HW/SW integration as well. Competing via excellence is most emphatically NOT a problem.

Re: Google Buys Motorola For $12.5 Billion

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>By adopting the mobile OS nobody wants You're dissing an OS that's not even out for a full year, and has MORE customer satisfaction than Android phones. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/wp7-ahead-of-android-and-... How is that something that nobody wants? >By burying the one that was actually good (and whose kernel could power an Android device easily) Did you even read the article I linked? Meego/Maemo was not re…

> and has MORE customer satisfaction than Android phones. Something which is yet to translate into phones sold. > Did you even read the article I linked? Sure. There is only a handful of WP7 devices out there and they are all very high-end. Android phones cover a much broader spectrum - there are low-end Android phones - and the number of disappointed users is going to be much higher. From TFA: "The data might be ske…

I meant the Businessweek article, not the ZDNet one.

>Something which is yet to translate into phones sold.

That doesn't still warrant the 'phone OS that no one wants'.

>And we can see the difference now that Nokia is selling devices running WP7.

They announced the deal in Feb and they're going to release devices in Sep/Oct, is that not fast enough for a huge company like Nokia and with phone hardware that takes years to make?

>It means it's mostly ready - all hardware is supported by the Linux kernel and the effort to make it run Android is almost nothing. The N9 could have launched with Android.

And the N9 would now play second fiddle thanks to competition from Google itself.

>It's a fine OS that lacks a significant developer ecosystem. There is a finite number of phone developers and now they are all very busy writing software for iOS and Android. Only a few developers have chosen to target WebOS, which has a smaller user base but very little competition.

That's EXACTLY my point. Meego/Maemo risked ended up being like WebOS, thanks to competition from Android/iOS/WP7,especially if the OS and multiple phones weren't ready. Getting an dev friendly ecosystem ready is not a joke. RIM's platform sucks for devs even after

And Meego wasn't, that's why the board fired the previous CEO and hired Elop. You think you know more than them and that they're all fools? Nokia is Finland's biggest company. If you think MS can 'install' a trojan horse just like that resulting in thousands of needless layoffs, then you're either deluded or paranoid. You should really read that Businessweek article.

Re: Google Buys Motorola For $12.5 Billion

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unless you want the latest version...

I'm not sure why krakensden is being downvoted for their comment. This is a continual gripe in the Android developer/hacker community. Has all of the Android 3.0/3.2 source finally been posted to android.git.kernel.org? Ice Cream Sandwich?

The 3.x branch is not open (yet). The 2.x branch (we are talking about mobile phones, not tablets) is open.

Re: Google Buys Motorola For $12.5 Billion

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That's a great question. I would expect MS to maintain the BlackBerry brand, which I think still has some clout in the enterprise. That and MS/RIM have a somewhat long-standing relationship too. As I understand it, BlackBerry is the only way to get end-to-end encryption from an Exchange server to a smartphone, although I'd be surprised if that's not added to WP7. But basically, I think RIM is screwing up so much that…

>I would expect MS to maintain the BlackBerry brand, which I think still has some clout in the enterprise. Does MS really need a brand with enterprise clout though? Doesn't the MS brand itself have enough enterprise clout?

I think the MS brand has more clout than RIM; if for no other reason than most large companies will have a relationship with MS for other products. In all of the large companies I've worked at buying from an existing vendor was preferable if the products were roughly comparable.

Re: Google Buys Motorola For $12.5 Billion

#280
Dropbox valuation is nearly as much as Moto mobility. I wonder if you hand those kids that started Dropbox a bunch of chips, whether they would make a Droid handset? Are these enterprises the same level of complexity and know-how? There is no bubble...
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