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Google Buys Motorola For $12.5 Billion

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Re: Google Buys Motorola For $12.5 Billion

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Keeping Android open whilst treating their own phone manufacturing fairly will be a big challenge for Google. I hope they manage it. If done correctly the result should be a improvement in Android for all manufacturers, as the internal demands of Motorola will want to be heard, but cannot be prioritised. I am still puzzled as to how Skype cost $8billion. FYI Motorola Mobility had 24,500 patents when it was launched.…

This will indeed be a challenge: keeping the interests of their own cell phone division and third party hardware makers. Might be just another "HTC Sense" type skin added to Android...

Motorola already has that with Motoblur.

Re: Google Buys Motorola For $12.5 Billion

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"open" would be if that actually got me the latest code.

I may be mistaken, but I believe (and you can check if you want) the last commit on that tree happened 40 hours ago.

There still hasn't been a release of honeycomb's source (3.0-3.2).

Re: Google Buys Motorola For $12.5 Billion

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GOOG is a s/w company and not a manufacturer. The ability to integrate both sides of such different firms is very difficult. This puts both points b), c) and e) off the table. Point f)? I'm not sure, but I really hope that they can do something while looking at exactly how it will play out on a phone. They did try this with the Nexus though, and that was not something which worked out perfectly imho. M&A's have a ten…

>This puts both points b), c) and e) off the table. I don't see where you're coming from on b/c. Motorola makes great hardware - it would be hard to improve that. What Google can do is provide phones with unlocked bootloaders and the standard "Android Experience" UI. Google can make Motorola better precisely because they are a software company, and they can use that core competency to let Motorola focus on what they…

>I don't see where you're coming from on b/c. Motorola makes great hardware - it would be hard to improve that.

That's exactly the problem. Google, as a software company, doesn't currently have to worry about a lot of the issues that the hardware side of Motorola does, like supply chain management(both on the production and disposal side), dealing with retail outlets, directly dealing with cellular service providers as a device manufacturer, governmental agency compliance for hardware, etc. Google doesn't have really any experience with this, which means they absolutely need to keep the people that are currently doing those jobs.

Also, from what I've heard from people that used to work there, Motorola's engineering culture is on the "very corporate" side of things. Integrating that into Google's rather loose culture will be difficult, I think. This is especially important because both sides will need to be working with each other very closely.

Best case, Google doesn't change much, and integrates Motorola's hardware chain well. However, if they do exert a lot of control over the hardware side, quality could decline in the short term as the issues I mentioned above get worked out.

Overall, I think it's a much stronger position for both companies. Motorola gets Google's software expertise, and Google gets Motorola's hardware engineering and supply chain.

Re: Google Buys Motorola For $12.5 Billion

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Yup, after I got my masters and then got laid off I got an offer from a patent law firm to put me through law school if I'd come work for them. Patent law sort of sounded like one of the circles of Hell for me, though, so I didn't take them up.

What law school? Were you allowed to choose?

That wasn't discussed, and I imagine it would involve what I got into when I applied.

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How would this fit in with a Nokia-WP7 Special Relationship though? Would MS kill off old and new BlackBerry OSes and just use RIM's old sales contacts to sell more WP7 phones or what?

That's a great question. I would expect MS to maintain the BlackBerry brand, which I think still has some clout in the enterprise. That and MS/RIM have a somewhat long-standing relationship too. As I understand it, BlackBerry is the only way to get end-to-end encryption from an Exchange server to a smartphone, although I'd be surprised if that's not added to WP7. But basically, I think RIM is screwing up so much that…

>I would expect MS to maintain the BlackBerry brand, which I think still has some clout in the enterprise.

Does MS really need a brand with enterprise clout though? Doesn't the MS brand itself have enough enterprise clout?

Re: Google Buys Motorola For $12.5 Billion

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To add: a) there will be at least 1 company focused on android which will be protected with the cloth that is Google's legal team. b) Google can make Motorola better c) Google can make hardware to go with their software. d) Google can finally make Motorola phones running android open. e) We can finally see what it means for a hardware company to exist with a motto: "Don't be Evil". Sure Google is not perfect, but all…

GOOG is a s/w company and not a manufacturer. The ability to integrate both sides of such different firms is very difficult. This puts both points b), c) and e) off the table. Point f)? I'm not sure, but I really hope that they can do something while looking at exactly how it will play out on a phone. They did try this with the Nexus though, and that was not something which worked out perfectly imho. M&A's have a ten…

>GOOG is a s/w company and not a manufacturer.

Fanboys used to say the same thing about MS when they were working on the first Xbox, and they came out looking pretty silly for it. The first one was a bit clunky, but the second one, especially with Kinect, is gangbusters.

Integrating Motorola won't be as big a problem as you make it out for a company as smart and well funded Google.

Re: Google Buys Motorola For $12.5 Billion

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I am quite confident that this deal does not bring much changes to Android and related companies, because even tough Google bought Motorola Mobility, their commitment to the other device manufacturers (Samsung, HTC, LG...) will be as strong as ever. It's Google's goal to reach as many people as possible with their Android operating system, so they can sell ads and be the default/dominant search engine on the mobile platform.

I would even argue that, after the acquisition, they are going to take extra good care of their relations with Samsung and HTC. Also I'm quite positive that the executives of the before mentioned firms, who've already both been sued by Microsoft and Apple, welcome the acquisition at least in the short term, as it strengthens Android's position in the patent lawsuits. We must not forget that it's Android that made HTC and Samsung great in the smartphone business.

Androids (Google's+Motorolas) success, is HTC's, LG's and Samsung's success.

So from my point of view, all the above mentioned companies depend on each other, which is why I don't expect any big strategic moves/changes in the next few months/year on either side.

Re: Google Buys Motorola For $12.5 Billion

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I hope you're right. But Google has certainly sold it to its Android partners as "we're going to use their patents to defend your crapware-ridden half-assed locked down handsets and then smother the hardware people with this wet pillow": http://www.google.com/press/motorola/quotes/

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Re: Google Buys Motorola For $12.5 Billion

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>Android is platform neutral in a way no other can aspire to: it's open-source. In practice, is the platform that much different from Windows? Anyone can slap it on any hardware and sell it as Windows and pre-install their own software. In fact, with Windows they don't have to follow the rules OEMs need to follow to bundle things like Maps and Android Marketplace with the phone.

> In practice, is the platform that much different from Windows? Sure. OEMs get the full source code. > Anyone can slap it on any hardware and sell it as Windows and pre-install their own software. As long as they pay the license. Android OEMs don't have to. And Windows OEMs can't change Windows itself - they can only slap things on top of it. AFAIK, the only OEM that got permission to customize WP7's interface is No…

Since you said this:

>Android is platform neutral in a way no other can aspire to: it's open-source.

I was comparing that to other platforms, both desktop and mobile (the difference is largely irrelevant to the argument, isn't it?).

With Android, the openness is exploited by the OEMs and carriers to install applications and always running services that CANNOT be uninstalled by the user, unless you root it(not easy for average user, and tough for even geeks because of locked bootloaders). These services and apps take up space and suck down battery. With Apple, you don't get such unremovable crap. With Windows 7, you can somehow uninstall it using tweaks and workarounds. With WP7, nothing can run in the background, and OEMs/carriers get a bigger tile on the main screen that can be removed with a long press and even uninstalled. How is the openness of Android helping here?

OEMs HAVE to abide by certain rules to get access to premium Google programs like Maps and to the Android Marketplace(try selling a phone without those).

So you say the openness of Android was used to customize the UI? Most people hate the UI customization since it further lags the phone and sucks down battery.

>And Windows OEMs can't change Windows itself - they can only slap things on top of it

True, but you can install things into the kernel itself and Dell ships a OS X like dock.

Do you have any examples of Android customisations that the OEMs made as a result of it being Open Source that improved the user experience that wouldn't be possible with, say desktop Windows?

Re: Google Buys Motorola For $12.5 Billion

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Only part of Motorola, and not generally the part considered the "original". :) Motorola mobility was spun off of the main company in January - I think at the time there was commentary on the stock markets that it was done with the aim to get someone to buy it. So Motorola will exist still - as Motorola Solutions (it is the bigger & more profitable part of the company anyway) and Google get a phone manufacture divisi…

What exactly is "Motorola Mobile" and what is the rest of Motorala? I saw that in the news headline and figured there was going to be a lot of confusion over what actually got bought.
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