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Meat and mental health: Meat eaters suffer less depression, anxiety

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Re: Meat and mental health: Meat eaters suffer less depression, anxiety

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Post by hhs »

King-Aaron wrote: post #9

I'd say the first big thing to highlight is that correlation is not causation - you wouldn't want someone to take this study as proof that eating meat makes you less depressed. I would imagine that vegans (in particular vegans who chose their diet on ethical grounds) are overall more concerned about the state of the world around them - or are at least subjected to more of an echo-chamber effect from their peers - whi…

> I'd say the first big thing to highlight is

A second big thing to highlight is the study disclosure at the bottom of this article. Four of the six authors "have previously received funding from the Beef Checkoff, through the National Cattlemen’s Beef Association."

Re: Meat and mental health: Meat eaters suffer less depression, anxiety

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Post by girvo »

johnNumen wrote: post #4

This is nothing but conjecture, but my suspicion is that neurotically conscientious people are more likely to become vegan, and also more likely to be depressed and anxious.

That, and the study is straight up funded by the beef industry which makes me pretty suspect.

"This study was funded in part via an unrestricted research grant from the Beef Checkoff, through the National Cattlemen’s Beef Association."

Re: Meat and mental health: Meat eaters suffer less depression, anxiety

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Post by marricks »

travoc wrote: post #66
ngoel36 wrote: post #21

Disclosure: "This study was funded in part via an unrestricted research grant from the Beef Checkoff, through the National Cattlemen’s Beef Association."

Who else is going to find a study that might show meat is good?

A far more believable source would be a university studying causes of depression. Literally anyone else not profiting off meat would be more believable though.

Re: Meat and mental health: Meat eaters suffer less depression, anxiety

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Post by shyiko »

bluedevil2k wrote: post #65
issa wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not eating meat is one of the major things a person can do to reduce their carbon footprint, so I would imagine more people giving up meat would be very helpful collectively.

BS - the steak you didn’t eat yesterday doesn’t resurrect the cow, it just gets eaten by someone else.

The less animals products you buy the lower the demand. Have enough people reduce meat consumption and fewer animals will be bred and killed. It's not about "resurrecting the cow".

Re: Meat and mental health: Meat eaters suffer less depression, anxiety

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Post by papercrane »

girvo wrote: post #88
SavantIdiot wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not necessarily. I was a localvore before I went vegetarian, and the place where I got my chickens, pork, lamb and beef was ~10 miles from my house. (I live in a hipster city.) I did this because I liked meeting my animals and watching them be butchered. (Industrial meat production is wildly, horrifically cruel by comparison.) Now I'm vegetarian because meat is just too effing expensive when purchased ethically. I ca…

> soy curls TVP, yeah? That stuff is magic, easily my favourite protein source. I can make dishes that blow people away with it

Soy curls are a product from Butler Foods. Not sure if there's a generic equivalent, I haven't found one. Not vegan, but I do try and limit my meat consumption and really love them.

https://www.butlerfoods.com/soycurls.html

Re: Meat and mental health: Meat eaters suffer less depression, anxiety

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Post by dalmo3 »

bluedevil2k wrote: post #65
issa wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not eating meat is one of the major things a person can do to reduce their carbon footprint, so I would imagine more people giving up meat would be very helpful collectively.

BS - the steak you didn’t eat yesterday doesn’t resurrect the cow, it just gets eaten by someone else.

Sure, but it signals demand for future cows.

Re: Meat and mental health: Meat eaters suffer less depression, anxiety

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Post by speedybird »

shyiko wrote: post #46
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #23

How much faith do you have in nutrition science? How sure are you that they know all the vitamins, fatty acids, amino acids, etc that are important to your health? We know for sure that there are vitamins that it is pretty much impossible to get with a normal vegan diet (without either taking a supplement or consciously consuming certain foods to supplement) such as vitamin B-12. Other minerals such as iron are more…

I'd suggest going over https://veganspeak.info/ .

This page is really lame propaganda and is using the typical lazy emotionally manipulative arguments I've come to expect from vegans. For instance:

>Humans are omnivores:

> This is still debated in the scientific community. There’s a substantial amount of evidence pointing towards us being herbivores, or at least scavengers (like rats, who eat meat after the animal’s been killed by other predators).

Scavengers that eat meat and vegetable matter are omnivores; omnivore does not imply predator. Rats are omnivores even if you don't count scavenging for some reason; they kill and eat smaller rodents and bugs. Lots of animals are scavengers, including many that don't have negative reputations as vermin; bears are a great example. Humans in the modern era also scavenge; lots of people in America eat roadkilled deer. Arguably, buying meat from a store is 'scavenging' too since somebody else killed it.

In two mere sentences this 'refutation' creates a false dichotomy and tries to exploit biases against rats and scavenging. Really lame.

Re: Meat and mental health: Meat eaters suffer less depression, anxiety

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Post by BrianHenryIE »

zebraflask wrote: post #30
King-Aaron wrote: post #9

I'd say the first big thing to highlight is that correlation is not causation - you wouldn't want someone to take this study as proof that eating meat makes you less depressed. I would imagine that vegans (in particular vegans who chose their diet on ethical grounds) are overall more concerned about the state of the world around them - or are at least subjected to more of an echo-chamber effect from their peers - whi…

I wonder if more bioavailable B vitamins from a meat-heavy diet has anything to do with it. Vegetarian diets, as I understand the common saying, need to actively contain or be supplemented with B vitamin sources. If you're veg but live on nutrient-poor junk food, I could see nutritional deficiencies entering the mix. I think it's relatively uncontroversial that malnutrition has mental health side effects.

B12 is fun. Livestock is supplemented with B12.

Meat-based diets need their meat to be actively supplemented with B vitamin sources.

If you're a carnist but live on nutrient-poor junk food, I could see nutritional deficiencies entering the mix. I think it's relatively uncontroversial that malnutrition has mental health side effects.

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