Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly. There's a reason when you deal with people senior enough in any big organization that everything is verbal...
Just to nitpick, you probably mean 'oral'
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Former Boeing 737 Max Chief Technical Pilot Indicted for Fraud
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Re: Former Boeing 737 Max Chief Technical Pilot Indicted for Fraud
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly. There's a reason when you deal with people senior enough in any big organization that everything is verbal...
I do not know if these discussions happened in WA, but WA had one party consent audio recording laws instead of all party consent, then executives would be more wary of instructing underlings to do something illegal.
sure but thats like 1 in 1000
but putting stuff in text/IM/email is instantly discovered if anything ever goes to trial and there is electronic discovery
Re: Former Boeing 737 Max Chief Technical Pilot Indicted for Fraud
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly. There's a reason when you deal with people senior enough in any big organization that everything is verbal...
I do not know if these discussions happened in WA, but WA had one party consent audio recording laws instead of all party consent, then executives would be more wary of instructing underlings to do something illegal.
Are there any downsides to this?
Re: Former Boeing 737 Max Chief Technical Pilot Indicted for Fraud
#44Boeing were idiots selling this new model into the markets they did right out the gate. It was greed and bit them hard. Poor maintenance. Pilot skills in hand flying and unusual flying and recovery so different (overseas they don't always come through a normal US style GA background). If they would have looked more closely at the US, they would have found that this system was triggered (and resolved) I suspect pretty…
The flight previous to the LA crash also experienced the MCAS malfunction. You don't hear about that one because the crew used the electric trim switches to return trim to normal, then turned off the stab trim system with the cutoff switches.
Then, they continued the flight and landed normally.
The next flight on the same airplane is the one that crashed. The crew restored normal trim with the electric trim switches 25 times, but never shut off the trim system.
The EA crew also restored normal trim with the trim switches, but then turned off the trim when the stabilizer was too far nose down. This is contrary to the instructions in the Boeing Emergency Airworthiness Directive distributed to all MAX pilots.
This does not absolve Boeing's role in not doing a proper failure analysis of the MCAS system.
But contrary to what Frontline said "the pilots did everything right" it was recoverable if the instructions for runaway trim were followed.
Re: Former Boeing 737 Max Chief Technical Pilot Indicted for Fraud
#45Nailed for being the only guy stupid enough to write instant messages bragging about misleading the FAA. As a longtime corporate grunt, I can guess exactly how management leaned on him. He should have left and let the scumbags find another patsy to do their dirty work.
Exactly. There's a reason when you deal with people senior enough in any big organization that everything is verbal...
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Re: Former Boeing 737 Max Chief Technical Pilot Indicted for Fraud
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Steve Jobs told employees a short story when they were promoted to vice president at Apple. Jobs would tell the VP that if the garbage in his office was not being emptied, Jobs would naturally demand an explanation from the janitor. "Well, the lock on the door was changed,' the janitor could reasonably respond. "And I couldn't get a key." > The janitor's response is reasonable. It's an understandable excuse. The ja…
I guess this was before the big brain genius man treated his fatal cancer with magic beans.
This story is almost certainly apocryphal, but is a good way to assign responsibility at senior levels.
Re: Former Boeing 737 Max Chief Technical Pilot Indicted for Fraud
#47Well let's hope that some C-Suite got punished.
Spider Network by David Enrich is a good book to dispel you of such quaint notions.
Re: Former Boeing 737 Max Chief Technical Pilot Indicted for Fraud
#48I knew this whole Boeing disaster was the work a rogue chief technical pilot.
Re: Former Boeing 737 Max Chief Technical Pilot Indicted for Fraud
#49Nailed for being the only guy stupid enough to write instant messages bragging about misleading the FAA. As a longtime corporate grunt, I can guess exactly how management leaned on him. He should have left and let the scumbags find another patsy to do their dirty work.
Remember, the "I" in "IM" stands for "incriminating".
Re: Former Boeing 737 Max Chief Technical Pilot Indicted for Fraud
#50Nailed for being the only guy stupid enough to write instant messages bragging about misleading the FAA. As a longtime corporate grunt, I can guess exactly how management leaned on him. He should have left and let the scumbags find another patsy to do their dirty work.
Source?