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Meat and mental health: Meat eaters suffer less depression, anxiety

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Re: Meat and mental health: Meat eaters suffer less depression, anxiety

#11
I'm a meat eater but I find these kind of research bound to find such result from the start.

The vast majority of Vegan and vegos people (citation needed) would naturally be more conscious and sensitive than your burger munching to no-tomorrow typical guy/gal.

This kind of caring for the world and information seeking mammal would be naturally more exposed to anxiety. It's bliss to be a chicken nugget munching idiot, not caring about the environment. Other opposite side of the scale, the information seeking sensitive, often misunderstood vegan is very likely to be more sensitive and overwhelmed, leading to anxiety and depression.

Re: Meat and mental health: Meat eaters suffer less depression, anxiety

#15

This is nothing but conjecture, but my suspicion is that neurotically conscientious people are more likely to become vegan, and also more likely to be depressed and anxious.

Interesting suspicion. What atypical mind states are associated with meat eating?

It would have to be a very large effect given 95‰ of the US eats meat. I think the opposite is more likely. Atypical mind states are associated with veganism and the mood disorders.

Re: Meat and mental health: Meat eaters suffer less depression, anxiety

#16
Not to boil down a technical topic into something small, but...

IMO eating meat is something that is considered a societal norm, where it is the abnormal to not eat meat at all. Generally, doing things that the rest of society also does would lead to greater outcomes in terms of fitting in and following the herd.

That's not to say that doing things that society normally does won't lead to mental health impacts.

But eating food is such a social aspect of our lives that we do every day, having to consider dietary impacts each time you eat with other people would surely push my anxiety up. Especially if it was driven based on principle.

Re: Meat and mental health: Meat eaters suffer less depression, anxiety

#18
One thing worth noting is this appears to be entirely correlation, not causation.

It's possible that it is not diet, but an additional factor. For example, perhaps people who are worried about their impact on the world are more likely to be depressed and also more likely to be vegetarian/vegan.

If that were the case, it's plausible that the same person, even if they ate meat, would have an identical chance of being depressed.

Another thing to note is that they did not control for anything except sex. My, not totally scientific, observation is that depression and anxiety is more prevalent in people under a certain age, as is concern about the environment, as is veganism. I'd be curious if controlling for age made any difference. Maybe it's just millennials are just a both more-depressed and more-vegetarian cohort.

Levels of meat consumption are also linked to location, and I think depression might be too. I'd be curious if controlling for location made any difference. Maybe people living in big cities are both more likely to be vegetarian (due to restaurants catering to more dietary preferences due to mass of people) and more likely to be depressed.

I personally like the original theory I proposed. Someone who is self-conscious about their existence is more likely to be worried about the environment (especially their personal impact), is more likely to be vegetarian, and also is more likely to be depressed.

I think we need either a proposed nutritional link / mechanism, or a controlled study in which people's diets were changed, to draw the conclusion the title implies.

Re: Meat and mental health: Meat eaters suffer less depression, anxiety

#19
Do any of the 20 studies analyzed in this one control for protein and fat consumption?

I get the impression that some vegetarian and/or vegan diets are low in protein and fats, and those proteins and fats have different ratios of the amino and fatty acids than meat does. Vegetable and seed oils tend to be high in linoleic acid in particular and low in saturated fats.

Personally, I have to make a conscious effort to add protein to my diet as someone who doesn't eat much meat and is athletic.

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