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Missouri Governor Vows to Prosecute St. Louis Post-Dispatch for Reporting

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Re: Missouri Governor Vows to Prosecute St. Louis Post-Dispatch for Reporting

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kizer wrote: post #54
WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #4

Missouri Gov. Mike Parson (R) .. vowed his administration would seek to prosecute and investigate .. anyone who aided the publication in its "attempt to embarrass the state and sell headlines for their news outlet." Embarrassing governments is the natural outcome of the press doing it's job. This is what the extra constitutional protections are for.

Exactly. Thank you nosy media. This anti-press stuff started with Trump. Terrifying how authoritarian the right has become. Reporters, please continue “embarrassing” all states. The sane leaders and citizens will be thanking you.

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Re: Missouri Governor Vows to Prosecute St. Louis Post-Dispatch for Reporting

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Post by EtherTyper »

zzzeek wrote: post #8

> “And then to react in this way where you don’t say ‘thank you’ but actually turn on the reporter and researchers and go after them…it’s just weird.” it's not "weird", it's an elected official trying to deflect from being exposed as completely endangering the PII of state employees. while trying to bring charges here is ridiculous, it might not be the case in a few years as we watch the continued crumbling of instit…

Right, or allegedly trying to extort the government of Ukraine to end an investigation against the official's relatives. Corruption on all sides unfortunately.

Re: Missouri Governor Vows to Prosecute St. Louis Post-Dispatch for Reporting

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Post by EtherTyper »

CivBase wrote: post #24
zzzeek wrote: post #8

> “And then to react in this way where you don’t say ‘thank you’ but actually turn on the reporter and researchers and go after them…it’s just weird.” it's not "weird", it's an elected official trying to deflect from being exposed as completely endangering the PII of state employees. while trying to bring charges here is ridiculous, it might not be the case in a few years as we watch the continued crumbling of instit…

It's kind of weird. After all, it's not like the governor is directly responsible for the flaw. Even if his opposition could have indirectly linked his administration to the flaw, his response has certainly done far more damage to his reputation than that ever could.

I still think the governor can be seen as indirectly responsible, since this is a result of insufficient security auditing.

Re: Missouri Governor Vows to Prosecute St. Louis Post-Dispatch for Reporting

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Post by rsynnott »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #4

Missouri Gov. Mike Parson (R) .. vowed his administration would seek to prosecute and investigate .. anyone who aided the publication in its "attempt to embarrass the state and sell headlines for their news outlet." Embarrassing governments is the natural outcome of the press doing it's job. This is what the extra constitutional protections are for.

> attempt to embarrass the state

I hadn't realised the US had kept lèse-majesté when it broke with the UK (even in the UK, the last prosecution was in 1715, so this is particularly retro of his governorship...)

Re: Missouri Governor Vows to Prosecute St. Louis Post-Dispatch for Reporting

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Post by speedybird »

joe_the_user wrote: post #45
vipa123 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is as old as the country itself, the constitution is stronger than these thugs.

The US state has successfully suppressed free expression in a number of instances (Henry Miller and Wilhelm Reich come to mind). The US isn't special as a democracy and it's been pretty shoddy at quite a number of times, though now isn't necessarily the worst moment. The constitution is only strong on free speech and freedom of the press if people defend it. Edit: It's especially notable that the degree that governme…

> though now isn't necessarily the worst moment.

Chattel slavery, the Civil War, the Trail of Tears, the internment of Japanese Americans... need I go on? Anybody who thinks America might be in a worse state now than ever before needs a serious reality check.

Re: Missouri Governor Vows to Prosecute St. Louis Post-Dispatch for Reporting

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Post by nostrademons »

jkepler wrote: post #112
Infernal wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Many, many institutions in the USA are built on it being a high-trust society. Now that it's falling into a low-trust state, we can expect those institutions to fail, and perhaps the state to as well. Not enough people understand this, but I'm encouraged whenever I hear from those who do.

This raises the question of how we start planning now to build more appropriate institutions to avoid societal failure.

Locally, generally. Remember Gall's Law: "A complex system that works is inevitably found to have evolved from a simple system that works." Also much easier to rebuild trust in a smaller community.

I'd kinda love to blog about blue-sky social theories, but I suspect that without grounding in actual working social systems, they would remain theories.

Re: Missouri Governor Vows to Prosecute St. Louis Post-Dispatch for Reporting

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Post by tshaddox »

idiotsecant wrote: post #110
tshaddox wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> no it isn't. It's the natural outcome of shitty people being elected. Okay, well it's the outcome of literally every government of non-trivial size and duration.

Your original intention, I believe, was to comment on the natural tendency of the system we've put in place. The phrasing "doing their job" has a slightly different implication, I think, of a system doing what it's "supposed" to do and not what it actually does.

Then the question is who is doing the "supposing"? I'd say if every government I've ever seen or heard of routinely engages in suppression of opposition, I'm going to suppose that the next government I encounter will as well. It's not like these are random government employees doing the suppression unprompted: they are in roles expressly intended to suppress opposition.

Re: Missouri Governor Vows to Prosecute St. Louis Post-Dispatch for Reporting

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Post by silexia »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #4

Missouri Gov. Mike Parson (R) .. vowed his administration would seek to prosecute and investigate .. anyone who aided the publication in its "attempt to embarrass the state and sell headlines for their news outlet." Embarrassing governments is the natural outcome of the press doing it's job. This is what the extra constitutional protections are for.

This governor needs to face a recall election or civil lawsuits for this idiotic threats and lies.

Re: Missouri Governor Vows to Prosecute St. Louis Post-Dispatch for Reporting

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

tppiotrowski wrote: post #91
handrous wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Turns out a bunch of other systems rely on this bug to fetch information, and no-one's entirely sure where they are, who's responsible for them, or what they do. Also the page is auto-generated though some arcane CMS such that it's really hard to figure out how to get the data off that page while keeping it other places where it needs to be, without restructuring the whole thing. Also deployment is manual and you'll…

Cheap solution: put a proxy in front like Cloudworker/Lambda and modify the HTML before it gets sent to client.

Yeah maybe the current system is an emalgamation of 20 such cheap solutions accrued over decades. If they are not i a crisis, they should do ot properly
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