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Oculess – Removes account requirements and telemetry from Oculus Quest devices

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Re: Oculess – Removes account requirements and telemetry from Oculus Quest devices

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Post by beervirus »

duskwuff wrote: post #29
rhacker wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean I don't see why this couldn't apply cart-blanche to all computers. I don't need to sign into MS, Mac to use the computers (though I do for my mac because of corp. policy). It has been getting harder, but fuck, why not use this opportunity to turn this shit around?

> why not use this opportunity to turn this shit around? Because your proposed legislation would outlaw most IoT devices. This is, in fact, bad.

> Because your proposed legislation would outlaw most IoT devices.

Only if it were drafted carelessly. Which, yeah, plenty of laws are, but it's not a requirement.

Re: Oculess – Removes account requirements and telemetry from Oculus Quest devices

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Post by azinman2 »

Anyone know why fitness tracking would not work after disabling telemetry? That’s very strange they’re intertwined.

If you own a quest, what’s the appeal of disabling the fb part? To me it’s the telemetry that’s most incendiary, especially as a friend at Oculus suspected people’s video is uploaded as part of data sets for training the tracking algorithms (which means the inside of my home is in FB servers… even worse if you consider some popular VR movies and their related activities…)

Re: Oculess – Removes account requirements and telemetry from Oculus Quest devices

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Post by LegitShady »

LegitShady wrote: post #69
okwubodu wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Quest is standalone giving it the lowest barrier to entry even without the current PC market being terrible.

standalone VR is pretty garbage running off a phone graphics card. The quest is only interesting where you connect to PCVR, and then its not standalone.

> When the average person's personal computing device is barely stronger than that phone graphics card it's pretty good.

That's ok if you aren't strapping two screens on your face and trying to get the to run as high a refresh rate as you can go.

As someone who bought into the new VR revival right away and followed the development of the initial headsets as closely as someone outside the companies developing them could, and has owned and currently owns multiple headsets, I can tell you my experience with VR is performance is very key, and that standalone VR is pretty garbage.

Re: Oculess – Removes account requirements and telemetry from Oculus Quest devices

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Post by 14 »

dylan604 wrote: post #31
SamuelAdams wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Docking stations and printers too. Here’s a recent HP printer that requires an account. https://reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/pwrgb1/buyer_beware_s...

Thanks. I don't typically read reddit, so I had not seen this. Starting to contemplate getting a new inkjet for the home office. I now have something else to keep in mind during the researching. This plus all of the ink jet forensic marking, I'm leaning towards the extra cost for color laser instead, and definitely not an HP.

I have the brother 3750 I believe the model is and is great. The starter inks lasted me a long time and I finally bought all new full sized ink I expect they will last years. It was a bit costly to buy all the ink but I know it will last for years and I know if I don’t use it for a few months it will still print perfectly when I decide to. Definitely recommend a brother printer.

Re: Oculess – Removes account requirements and telemetry from Oculus Quest devices

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Post by wlesieutre »

akerl_ wrote: post #61
jdc wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about the freedom to use your property, electronic or otherwise, as you see fit?

Oculus isn’t secretive about the cloud account requirement. When you go to buy it, you’re buying it as Facebook chose to build it. And once you have the hardware you own it. But they aren’t required to sell you a device that works the way you wish it did. If the pitch here was that vendors were lying about cloud/connectivity requirements, and we wanted legislation to prevent them from obscuring the truth, I’d be 100%…

I have a Quest 1 and having a Facebook account was not a condition when I bought it, but they’re going to require my Oculus account to be converted into a Facebook account that I don’t want to have

Re: Oculess – Removes account requirements and telemetry from Oculus Quest devices

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Post by Ronson »

I don't want to spend forever on this. Does anyone know where I can go?

I got an OQuest2 gathering dust. It's a pain in the ass. Trying to use the (£80!!) wire is devastating. I can't remember but every time you plug it in, it asks if you want to give access. Then you enter this `oculus` lobby but you want steam, so now you enable link, but before that, you need to set a guardian. So its OK OK OK ALLOW OK... each time taking it off to look at your PC screen just to see `steam vr` can't find my headset, so i put it on and off again and it doesn't work but eventually it does, then it says I can't find my controllers, just the headset, and I reset the headset and restart my PC, then back to OK OK OK ALLOW OK.

Then the game I bought it shit so I ALT-F4 in rage and I go back the `oculus` home screen in oculus, but `steam` is still running and tells me VR is fine so I launch a game and it runs on my desktop and my headset runs Steam home.......

Like, this is fucking total and utter garbage at the very highest levels of praise.

Assume it is a brick, landfill. I repeat my request, someone is saying "GrapheneOS`. What is that? Does it mean I own my headset in a good way?

I'd genuinely appreciate all answers as I didn't need a $500 doorstop. They are 0.34 cents in Malmart.

Re: Oculess – Removes account requirements and telemetry from Oculus Quest devices

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Post by dmead »

akerl_ wrote: post #36
rhacker wrote: post #15

Facebook keeps asking Congress to make laws. How about this one: Peripherals, including mice, monitors, keyboards, VR headsets or any other device used to process input or output from a computer, may NOT be connected to any cloud service with an account. Any such cloud connections MUST be for software updates only and software updates MUST be capable of permanent opt-out without any loss of usage. I mean I grew up wi…

Why is it desirable for Congress to make laws limiting how electronics manufacturers can design their electronics? If Facebook wants to make a VR headset that requires that you upload a monthly video of you doing the chicken dance, just don’t buy their product. Attempting to use government to make private entities build the kinds of technology you like is a pretty heavy hammer to drop on individual freedoms.

Actually it's completely fine and pretty narrow.

Allowing tones of resources and brains to be dumped into the advertising industry is a pretty terrible use of what we usually call a "society".

Re: Oculess – Removes account requirements and telemetry from Oculus Quest devices

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Post by akerl_ »

wlesieutre wrote: post #85
akerl_ wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oculus isn’t secretive about the cloud account requirement. When you go to buy it, you’re buying it as Facebook chose to build it. And once you have the hardware you own it. But they aren’t required to sell you a device that works the way you wish it did. If the pitch here was that vendors were lying about cloud/connectivity requirements, and we wanted legislation to prevent them from obscuring the truth, I’d be 100%…

I have a Quest 1 and having a Facebook account was not a condition when I bought it, but they’re going to require my Oculus account to be converted into a Facebook account that I don’t want to have

I agree that this is undesirable, and if the pitch here were to mandate that sellers enumerate ongoing requirements of their item at time of sale, I’d back that.

Re: Oculess – Removes account requirements and telemetry from Oculus Quest devices

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Post by ghostly_s »

akerl_ wrote: post #36
rhacker wrote: post #15

Facebook keeps asking Congress to make laws. How about this one: Peripherals, including mice, monitors, keyboards, VR headsets or any other device used to process input or output from a computer, may NOT be connected to any cloud service with an account. Any such cloud connections MUST be for software updates only and software updates MUST be capable of permanent opt-out without any loss of usage. I mean I grew up wi…

Why is it desirable for Congress to make laws limiting how electronics manufacturers can design their electronics? If Facebook wants to make a VR headset that requires that you upload a monthly video of you doing the chicken dance, just don’t buy their product. Attempting to use government to make private entities build the kinds of technology you like is a pretty heavy hammer to drop on individual freedoms.

> just don't but their product

What alternatives are even available for standalone VR? Vive has something that's about 4x the price...

Re: Oculess – Removes account requirements and telemetry from Oculus Quest devices

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Post by sgregnt »

rhacker wrote: post #15

Facebook keeps asking Congress to make laws. How about this one: Peripherals, including mice, monitors, keyboards, VR headsets or any other device used to process input or output from a computer, may NOT be connected to any cloud service with an account. Any such cloud connections MUST be for software updates only and software updates MUST be capable of permanent opt-out without any loss of usage. I mean I grew up wi…

If for some reason,now or in the future, I prefer my peripherals to be connected to cloud. Your law deprives me of this freedom. Just a thought.
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