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Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found flaw in state website

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Re: Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found flaw in state website

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The governor of Montana battered a reporter for asking him a question he didn't like [0]. There exist a number of politicians who feel that these are reasonable responses to adversarial press, and apparently a large number of voters who agree with them.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Gianforte#Election-eve_as...

Re: Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found flaw in state website

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After the Affordable Care Act went into effect I signed our company up for our state's marketplace. While browsing our plan options, I noticed the url used a scheme like marketplace.org/employers/341/plans.aspx. Of course, I tried changing the number in the url to 342 to see what happened. To my astonishment, it loaded up the next company's plans, including a list of employee names, ages, plan cost, and SSNs. After I…

Unfortunately, this is the top comment and it has led to a lengthy discussion about the ethics of altering a url to retrieve a resource you should not have access to. Which is a fascinating discussion, but has nothing to do with the case at hand which is where the underlying html on a publicly accessible search result page contained SSNs of the teachers returned in the search. All the analogies about ‘it’s like askin…

On the other hand, to a non-techie person, where do you draw the line? Accessing the HTML of a public webpage is trivial to you and me. But what about decompiling or extracting strings from an .apk? Almost exactly the same thing as pressing F12 in the browser, but a tad more 'active'. It is relevant to this article, as it asks what hacking is OK, and what isn't

Re: Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found flaw in state website

#583

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right click. View Page Source. That's 2 steps. Hence, multi-step.

Option+Command+U :)

Three steps! What hacker could envision such an elaborate plan?

Re: Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found flaw in state website

#584

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It really is hard sometimes, to not just withdraw into a shell of isolation and decide "fuck it, this world is too damned stupid for me to bother with." In moderation, I think this is actually the correct response. Unless you live in Missouri, who cares what stupid things the Governor of Missouri says? In a previous era, you never would have heard about this story at all. It's just a politician in a minor state try…

> Unless you live in Missouri, who cares what stupid things the Governor of Missouri says? Because that person literally rules over millions of people, the overwhelming majority of which didn’t vote for him (1.7m votes out of the 6.1m population). Right now he is literally threatening state violence against a reporter for looking at a government website that accidentally leaked personal information.

Grandstanding politicians are one thing.

Getting a prosecutor to risk their career on prosecuting a journalist for politics is quite a bit more difficult. Journalists are well aware of their rights, and have lawyers between them and law enforcement.

I think its dumb, but as a former photojournalist who had a very large oil company (Haliburton) use a very small police department to come after me for trespassing, I can assure you that the newsroom is NOT scared right now.

Re: Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found flaw in state website

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Quote from the St Louis Post Dispatch article is even more groan-worthy: "In the letter to teachers, Education Commissioner Margie Vandeven said “an individual took the records of at least three educators, unencrypted the source code from the webpage, and viewed the social security number (SSN) of those specific educators.” I guess webpages are kinda like encryption for idiots.

I feel like not understanding basic things like that should get you fired. The Education Commissioner and Governor of the State of Missouri have demonstrated a lack of understanding of basic technologies. At this point, that means they lack core competencies to do their job, and should be fired.

Re: Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found flaw in state website

#586

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You left out the best bit: "through a multi-step process"

Right click. View Page Source. That's 2 steps. Hence, multi-step.

Could do it in a single step with F12. I suppose then you still have to scroll/search to find the relevant nodes... "multi-step" indeed

Re: Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found flaw in state website

#587

After the Affordable Care Act went into effect I signed our company up for our state's marketplace. While browsing our plan options, I noticed the url used a scheme like marketplace.org/employers/341/plans.aspx. Of course, I tried changing the number in the url to 342 to see what happened. To my astonishment, it loaded up the next company's plans, including a list of employee names, ages, plan cost, and SSNs. After I…

Within an hour you say? That's incredibly fast. I'm impressed by that fact alone regardless of the quality of the response. I'd hae been shocked for within an hour email reply.

I would have thought using incrementing IDs in a URL was as beaten of a dead horse as sanitizing your strings in a SQL query. Then again, ACA websites behaved as lowest bidder was selected.

Re: Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found flaw in state website

#588

Quote from the St Louis Post Dispatch article is even more groan-worthy: "In the letter to teachers, Education Commissioner Margie Vandeven said “an individual took the records of at least three educators, unencrypted the source code from the webpage, and viewed the social security number (SSN) of those specific educators.” I guess webpages are kinda like encryption for idiots.

Where "unencypted" means "turned the web page over, and read what was printed on the back of it".

It seems stupid to us, but non-techies just won't understand unless we come up with reasonable analogies.

Re: Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found flaw in state website

#589

Why is everyone here acting like the governor is merely stupid? He is not arguing from ignorance, he is arguing in bad faith. Mike Parson wants to feed the narrative that the American free press is the "enemy of the people" because it suits his politics, nothing more. The only message here is "be careful embarrassing fascists."

Nearly all politicians act like this when they're in power. The general public is easily mislead. HN notices it when it's a tech issue, but it happens in economics, medicine, basically everywhere. They have zero incentives to accept responsibility.

Because of HN no-politics type of policy, the only time HN can get riled up is when the politics involve tech. It's not that HN readers have no interest in these other topics. There's limitations on what the man will allow you to discuss about the other man. Hi dang!!!

Re: Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found flaw in state website

#590
Someone once took a photo in a hospital waiting room. There was a screen in the photo with a browser window that listed the queue of patients waiting to be seen (first name + last initial). I zoomed into the photo, typed the URL in my home machine and sure enough, the list of patients actively waiting to be seen loaded up.

To make matters worse, incrementing a number in the URL cycled through different hospital waiting rooms.

I emailed the vendor who build the tool about the issue and they responded letting me know that system worked as it was designed, and that no HIPPA violations existed since there was no full last name.

I meant to make a bigger deal about this, but then got busy.

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