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Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by reilly3000 »

airstrike wrote: post #47

I loved Ubuntu around 2007-2009 or so. Nowdays it feels like there are plenty of alternative distros that "just work" without so many of the idiosyncratic stuff canonical keeps dumping into what used to be "debian for the masses" > As Linux evangelist Mark Pilgrim once quipped, Ubuntu "is an ancient African word meaning 'can't install Debian'". https://www.theregister.com/2009/02/16/debian_lenny_review/

I’m a long time Ubuntu user and haven’t really shopped for other distros. Any recommendations besides Debian?

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by Chyzwar »

airstrike wrote: post #47

I loved Ubuntu around 2007-2009 or so. Nowdays it feels like there are plenty of alternative distros that "just work" without so many of the idiosyncratic stuff canonical keeps dumping into what used to be "debian for the masses" > As Linux evangelist Mark Pilgrim once quipped, Ubuntu "is an ancient African word meaning 'can't install Debian'". https://www.theregister.com/2009/02/16/debian_lenny_review/

If anything, Cannonical is aligning with mainstream in recent years: upstart -> systemd, unity -> gnome, mir -> wayland

New things that are Canonical specific are netplan and snap. I think snap is solving software packaging in Linux. If anything, I wish that snap brand stores were more affordable.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by generalizations »

rlpb wrote: post #60
capableweb wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't expect nothing less than being blamed by Ubuntu developers for a hacked up system, even though I barely described anything. Thanks for giving me another reason to leave the Ubuntu ecosystem behind me. The condescending tone that your message has seems to be relatively popular in the Ubuntu/Canonical community as well, at least compared to NixOS.

You described third party repositories and mismatching Python versions. That is a hacked up system, by definition.

Seems uncommon that those things would prevent upgrades. It sounds more like Ubuntu is beginning to suffer from an excess of complexity.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by imron »

aborsy wrote: post #12

Over a decade of Ubuntu use, could not be happier! I remember in 2000s, I had to edit /etc/ text files to set up internet etc. Nowadays everything works out of box. All sorts of peripherals and hardware is recognized automatically. High quality free open source software is available for most stuff I need. The freedom to choose software and customize Linux, if required, is amazing! Am I missing anything ignoring close…

> Nowadays everything works out of box.

Except for decent power management on laptops, and certain Bluetooth headsets.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by ProAm »

TekMol wrote: post #31
ProAm wrote: post #23

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What do you mean? Mine has a taskbar from default install. Which window manager are you using?

What do you mean by "What do you mean?"? I don't know which window manager. I just use Ubuntus defaults. It looks like this: https://ubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/a728/2020-04-23-13.05....

As others have mentioned it looks like like you are using the default Window Manager. You can install others that will provide a more familiar taskbar for you (that is a taskbar on the left of your screenshot). I've like LXDE and XFCE in the past, Im currently using KDE + Plasma, its only been a couple weeks so Im still learning it but might switch to another. Long story short you can definitely find a taskbar that will meet your needs for Ubuntu.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by ProAm »

TekMol wrote: post #39
outworlder wrote: post #34

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That is a launcher + taskbar. Open an app, it will show that the app is open. Open a new app, it will show there. Similar to the OSX dock.

Yes. I have been using it for a few weeks now and it sucks. Because it does not show the titles of all open windows. And I cannot organize the entries as I wish.

Switch window managers and you'll be able to do that.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by Hasnep »

heavyset_go wrote: post #14
deeblering4 wrote: post #7

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In my experience it's best to simply not attempt in-place major distro version upgrades and approach them instead as a backup/reimage/restore (or using an alternate/new machine) This has been true for me across all distros, and honestly it's a main reason why I only run linux on servers anymore (easy to create a new VM for upgrades, harder to create a new laptop)

If you use btrfs, which Ubuntu defaults to, you can simply take a snapshot of your system before upgrading and roll it back if there's an issue. That said, I use Ubuntu on many machines and VMs, and I haven't had issues with upgrading them at all.

I don't think Ubuntu defaults to btrfs.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by rlpb »

alcidesfonseca wrote: post #25
uniqueuid wrote: post #6

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I've upgraded from 18.04 in the past, but via intermediary LTS releases (i.e. 20.04). Going all in one step is not possible IMO. Also note that Ubuntu LTS releases only do upgrades after the first point release of a new version. You won't be upgraded to 21.10 until it hits 21.10.1. [edit] Apparently the holdout until point release .1 only applies to LTS versions: > Upgrades from one LTS to the next LTS release are on…

I’ve learned that ubuntu upgrades only if you update to the next version as soon as it is released. I have a 14.04 server that I cannot upgrade anymore and it sucks. Also, NVidia and Cuda drivers mess the upgrade path as well. And ubuntu is the most supported distro.

> I’ve learned that ubuntu upgrades only if you update to the next version as soon as it is released. I have a 14.04 server that I cannot upgrade anymore and it sucks.

Actually you can upgrade from old releases. You do need to move from LTS to LTS, rather than jumping. So you can upgrade 14.04 to 16.04, then to 18.04, and then to 20.04.

See https://askubuntu.com/questions/91815/how-to-install-softwar... for details.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by mateuszf »

seiferteric wrote: post #66
encryptluks2 wrote: post #56

After using Ubuntu for a couple years, I switched to Arch and never even think about going back. Ubuntu is great for people new to Linux, but it is like buying a new PC. Some people know very little about computers, so they just get an HP or Dell. Then once you start learning about graphics cards, SSDs, cooling, processors, etc... You either build your own or buy one with the components you actually want. That is why…

What is so great about Arch? Is it just gentoo for the younger generation? I used to use gentoo and build all my own stuff, but I just don't care about that anymore and want it to just work. That's why I use Ubuntu after using Linux for 20 years :)

It's a DIY KISS distro, but with a lot less building packages from source like on Gentoo. And with systemd as default which to me is a benefit.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by Normal_gaussian »

rlpb wrote: post #15
capableweb wrote: post #3

Funny, I run Ubuntu on my laptop and tried just today to upgrade it (since I'm on 18.04 and have been for a while). But no matter how I try, `do-release-upgrade` won't do the upgrade, complaining about third party repositories (removed all of them as a result), mismatched python versions, and a load of other issues. When I fix one, another one appears. Tried for 5 hours today and eventually gave up. On the other hand…

> I wonder why Ubuntu/Canonical can never get their upgrade game to work properly. Ubuntu developer here. Sounds like you have a really hacked up system there, and that it's your existing system that has issues. Under these circumstances, I don't think it's reasonable to expect an upgrade to be able to work smoothly. Scripts that handle upgrade paths necessarily need to make assumptions that what they are upgrading f…

I'm sure you don't mean it, but this reads very much like victim blaming and responsibility reduction. Most likely the assumption of what the distribution should do is different for the user and provider, which is going to lead to a lot of talking past each other and not many issues being fixed.
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