Any BSD fans out there wish to persuade a happy Debian desktop user to take a BSD for a spin?
I use Debian and love OpenBSD.
Savaged by systemd
OpenBSD 7.0
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Re: OpenBSD 7.0
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is Debian a different OS from Redhat?
Can you run Debian stuff on a RedHat chroot without needing different ABI compat libraries? Yes. Can you run FreeBSD binaries under OpenBSD? No.
This depends on the glibc version, but sure, that's a valid difference between the two.
edit: and oddly if you only go with this definition, that is Windows with WSL also a Linux OS? I'm guessing most people wouldn't say yes...
Re: OpenBSD 7.0
#193I used to use CentOS for all my Linux servers, but that's no longer an option of course. I've been using Vmware PhotonOS for Docker host VMs, and I'm pretty happy with it. For everything else though... I'm thinking Ubuntu, but I'm not sure. Might a *BSD be a good option? Does it have any real advantages over Linux? Or any drawbacks for that matter?
"that's no longer an option of course." why?
On account of CentOS, in "standard" Linux form, being dead.
I don't want to run CentOS Stream.
Re: OpenBSD 7.0
#194I'd love to try but I'm experiencing hardcore option paralysis every time I start thinking about it. FreeBSD, OpenBSD or NetBSD – _that_ is the question. Wait, maybe DragonFly actually? illumos? ...wait, I mean OpenIndiana, I think... wait, what's OmniOS? Is Darwin a thing, like I could just have BSD and macOS for free or something?
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Re: OpenBSD 7.0
#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
I recommend giving OpenBSD a try over the others. It's just... a clean OS, and the base system is extremely well documented; to the point that I think it's the only OS you can learn inside out without ever using Google. OpenBSD might not be the best choice for any given use, but it's so remarkably consistent and understandable that I think everyone interested in alternative OSes should try it out at least once.
I don't want a OS where I have to read man pages and documentation to get around. The whole self documentation excuse is the same reason why Emacs is slowly losing market share. People want software that is intuitive, and failing that, have all answers available on their favorite search engine. Short of baking a chatbot or search engine into OpenBSD, relying purely on self documentation is not sustainable. Though the…
Oh, having man pages included is much better than "read the source code".
Unfortunately search engines are unreliable, some "search engine optimized" virus pages could be first, and not some bank or docs website.
Re: OpenBSD 7.0
#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
"that's no longer an option of course." why?
On account of CentOS, in "standard" Linux form, being dead. I don't want to run CentOS Stream.
So run Rocky or Alma? They're both binary compatible versions of RHEL8. If you're already used to the Enterprise Linux ecosystem, there's no point in switching away from it entirely just because of CentOS stream, unless you're just interested in trying something new.
Re: OpenBSD 7.0
#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you run Debian stuff on a RedHat chroot without needing different ABI compat libraries? Yes. Can you run FreeBSD binaries under OpenBSD? No.
This depends on the glibc version, but sure, that's a valid difference between the two. edit: and oddly if you only go with this definition, that is Windows with WSL also a Linux OS? I'm guessing most people wouldn't say yes...
WSL2 does include full Linux kernel.
I would presume Linux OS to run Linux kernel on host OS. By default Windows runs Windows kernel.
Re: OpenBSD 7.0
#198What init system do the *BSDs use? Is systemd an option?
*YES*, systemd is an option. It is not the default. https://lobste.rs/s/jx3cr6/initware_systemd_fork_runs_on_ope...
I'm the first to admit that I'm ignorant of the facts here, but seeing that a systemd fork ran on OpenBSD for the first time two months ago does not give me confidence that it's "an option" in the sense that you can trust it to work well.
And to be pedantic (this is an OpenBSD thread, after all), it's not "systemd", it's a fork of systemd called "InitWare", and the GitHub repo describes it as "alpha software".
Someone also pointed out in the discussion you linked that it doesn't seem to include journald. Here's a relevant PR: https://github.com/InitWare/InitWare/pull/27
Re: OpenBSD 7.0
#199What init system do the *BSDs use? Is systemd an option?
OpenBSD uses a really simple rc.d to get going:
* https://www.bsdcan.org/2016/schedule/attachments/337_bsdcan-...