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Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found flaw in state website

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Re: Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found flaw in state website

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Quote from the St Louis Post Dispatch article is even more groan-worthy: "In the letter to teachers, Education Commissioner Margie Vandeven said “an individual took the records of at least three educators, unencrypted the source code from the webpage, and viewed the social security number (SSN) of those specific educators.” I guess webpages are kinda like encryption for idiots.

If it is served via https, it is encrypted. Edit: sorry, forgot the /s

I didn't get the joke. Can anybody explain it?

Re: Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found flaw in state website

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If I ask you to show me a document, and you willingly show me the document, who exactly is responsible for the disclosure?

In real life, if you do it under false pretenses, you are. In this analogy the real-world version would be considered fraud.

Asking for the next file isn't false pretenses. I don't know if this analogy works quite right. Even rifling through a file cabinet wouldn't be false pretenses, it would be something else.

And you have to cause injury for it to be fraud. Is "Help I was too honest to a customer." a valid injury claim?

Re: Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found flaw in state website

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After the Affordable Care Act went into effect I signed our company up for our state's marketplace. While browsing our plan options, I noticed the url used a scheme like marketplace.org/employers/341/plans.aspx. Of course, I tried changing the number in the url to 342 to see what happened. To my astonishment, it loaded up the next company's plans, including a list of employee names, ages, plan cost, and SSNs. After I…

I dunno, this seems pretty normal. Just today news broke that in Germany some guy who found a flaw in a web-shop backend leaking the data of hundreds of thousands of people got raided, because the operator reported him to the police - and somehow both police and state attorney found it wise to prosecute him instead of referring the case to the GDPR officer to fine the operator. It's pretty obvious that when you find…

Yeah, in my mind, the only "responsible disclosure" these days is one made anonymously to the local data protection authority.

Re: Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found flaw in state website

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I can't stress how differently power works in the Southern States (EDIT: Missouri is a midwestern state officially, but I've always considered it part of the South). It's a very traditional place, where you do not dare contradict, let alone correct, your boss. There is none of this "avoid surrounding yourself with sycophants because they will only tell you what you want to hear" business. There is no upside to speaki…

Missouri is not even remotely considered to be in "the south". At least not by those who live there or in neighboring states.

> Missouri is not even remotely considered to be in "the south".

No, but it is both South-adjacent and is considered to be largely within the Bible Belt, which is almost exactly coextensive with the South, except that it excludes parts of Southern Florida and includes all or part of several South-adjacent states, so it's not an entirely hard fo understand mistake.

Re: Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found flaw in state website

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We've got some presidential mis-speaks a plenty too. Some haven't been a governor, and didn't come from a "red" state.

This is clearly not an example of a politician simply "misspeaking".

As much as it would be comforting if it actually was, incompetence is not limited to either political party.

Re: Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found flaw in state website

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> After I shopped a few other companies to see how our plans compared Yeah once you start using a vulnerability maliciously to obtain confidential data for your own personal gain, even if its a stupid vulnerability, you're not really good-guy security researcher anymore. If all you did was the bare minimum to demonstrate the vuln exists, that's cool. If after you do that you continue to use it to obtain confidential…

You lost me at "maliciously". What harm was done by someone comparing prices? What organization lost money? Who got worse health service? "Unethical" and malicious is the current, profit-driven health insurance system. I know you're coming at it from an absolutist perspective, but I disagree entirely with passing judgement. Furthermore, the fact that you seem more upset with the person who glanced at a few plan price…

If you accessed my medical records, nobody would be “harmed” as they are fairly normal. It would still be wrong.

Re: Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found flaw in state website

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> I don't think I can blame a politician for being technically illiterate, especially one that old. Given the impact of technology on society, we absolutely can and should blame politicians who are technically illiterate.

I don't blame a politician for being not tech savvy. I can and will blame them for not getting (And listening to!) a tech savvy advisor.

I would think it depends on how "tech savvy" we're talking about. It's one thing to ask them to write a UNIX shell in C++, or construct a neural network model... I don't see any reason to demand that level of technical sophistication from a governor. But surely there has to be some baseline level of technological literacy that should be expected, no? Something beyond "push this button and the computer turns on" and "Yes, I checked and it's plugged into the wall"??

Re: Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found flaw in state website

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Quote from the St Louis Post Dispatch article is even more groan-worthy: "In the letter to teachers, Education Commissioner Margie Vandeven said “an individual took the records of at least three educators, unencrypted the source code from the webpage, and viewed the social security number (SSN) of those specific educators.” I guess webpages are kinda like encryption for idiots.

Will this definition of encryption hold for HIPAA cases in Missouri?

Re: Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found flaw in state website

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After the Affordable Care Act went into effect I signed our company up for our state's marketplace. While browsing our plan options, I noticed the url used a scheme like marketplace.org/employers/341/plans.aspx. Of course, I tried changing the number in the url to 342 to see what happened. To my astonishment, it loaded up the next company's plans, including a list of employee names, ages, plan cost, and SSNs. After I…

I dunno, this seems pretty normal. Just today news broke that in Germany some guy who found a flaw in a web-shop backend leaking the data of hundreds of thousands of people got raided, because the operator reported him to the police - and somehow both police and state attorney found it wise to prosecute him instead of referring the case to the GDPR officer to fine the operator. It's pretty obvious that when you find…

All this reminds me of the case of Lilith Wittmann [1], who got sued by the CDU (Germany's majority-holding party) in May 2021 because she discovered a security flaw in their election campaign app "CDU connect". Data from around 100.000 visitors and 18.500 election campaign helpers was not sufficiently secured.

She used responsible disclosure to let the CDU know of this flaw, got sued in response.

After an outcry from the community the CDU apologized to her and retracted the complaint and the proceeding was suspended in the end of August 2021.

It's pretty sad to see how people who act upon their best intentions, intentions which are beneficial to the society, are hit so strongly by those who are afraid to admit that they made a mistake. Hit in such a manner, that it tears apart the daily routine in a very negative way for months.

[1] https://lilithwittmann.medium.com/

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