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Apple Captures 75% of Global Handset Market Operating Profit in Q2 2021

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Re: Apple Captures 75% of Global Handset Market Operating Profit in Q2 2021

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Nah. Half the reason people buy iPhones is to show other people they aren't poor. Buying a sub-$300 phone doesn't achieve that goal.

> Half the reason people buy iPhones is to show other people they aren't poor While I'm pretty sure you jest here, this simply isn't true. iMessage, FaceTime, consistency with family and friends, and the (whether founded or not is up to you) trust in a machine that'll last you quite a few years and "just work" is the main reason people buy iPhones. Not saying that this is my thought process (i have my own reasons for…

I disagree, people will make up all sorts of smart-sounding rationales why they just need an iPhone. Just like they need that SUV, McMansion, or any other status good. And heck, they'll even believe their own reasoning. People typically aren't self-aware of their own status-seeking. But in the end that warm feeling from showing off their social status and rising above the unwashed Android masses is still half of the reason people buy them.

Re: Apple Captures 75% of Global Handset Market Operating Profit in Q2 2021

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A lot of people in tech like to say this but I'm never sure it's genuine. When Microsoft made a go of it there seemed to be a concerted effort to laugh them out of the room, and they had a genuinely decent product that should have been a third option in my opinion. I think we've now reached a point where a third player is pretty much impossible

Also, Palm's WebOS was fantastic - the issues were too little, too late; stupid carrier exclusivity, and underpowered hardware. WebOS had some real potential, too.

Oh yes, loved the premise of WebOS

Re: Apple Captures 75% of Global Handset Market Operating Profit in Q2 2021

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I really wish there was more competition in this space. Here's hoping someone like Canonical tries again now that the open-hardware world is starting to expand.

Looks to me there’s plenty of competition. Apple just consistently wins. Consumers are willing to pay more per device and it flows through to profit. The others are competing on price and their margins reflect it.

Let me be clear, I mean technological and software competition. A duopoly between Android and Apple isn't it. For comparison, see the dekstop/laptop market, where there are many totally usable open source software alternatives to Windows/OSX.

Re: Apple Captures 75% of Global Handset Market Operating Profit in Q2 2021

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I really wish there was more competition in this space. Here's hoping someone like Canonical tries again now that the open-hardware world is starting to expand.

Define "competition". Apple has a minority of the actual handset market, but they have a majority of the profits. You can speculate as to why they can wring so many extra dollars out of their customer base, but it's not clear to me that the overall handset market, itself, is structured in a way that gives Apple an unusual advantage.

Software alternatives.

Re: Apple Captures 75% of Global Handset Market Operating Profit in Q2 2021

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I really wish there was more competition in this space. Here's hoping someone like Canonical tries again now that the open-hardware world is starting to expand.

There's tons of competition in terms of products, but Apple wins on marketing every time. They are able to charge a massive markup by leveraging their market placement as a luxury brand.

Maybe competition was the wrong word for what I meant - I meant software alternatives. I've recently owned laptops from Acer, Asus, Dell, and Apple, and I put various flavors of Linux on all of them (pre M1).

Re: Apple Captures 75% of Global Handset Market Operating Profit in Q2 2021

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> ...with only a 13% share of units. > Asian countries with a long history of promoting market share, access to information, and knowledge transfer at the expense of short-term profit. Apple is the king of parasitic technological and scientific knowledge rentierism and obfuscation, as well as king in exploitation. it's neo-imperialism at it's most 'refined'. profits are surplus value extracted from workers, including…

the criticism of underpaid foreign labor is entirely fair, but that’s largely a government failure to rein in labor exploitation and to regulate markets for fairness and competitiveness. in a well-functioning market, you’d have competition (slowly) drive profits down as the many competitors figure out ways to attract and retain customers through price and differentiation. that’s not to underplay apple’s role in explo…

> that’s largely a government failure to rein in labor exploitation and to regulate markets for fairness and competitiveness

do you mean governments in the global south? if yes, you might be a victim to the (racist, white-supremacist) myth that countries in the global south are in some ways 'backward', and that through opening their countries to foreign direct investment they can somehow catch up with global north, despite the fact that the global north propertied class makes this impossible by commoditizing scientific knowledge and technology.

in other words: the global north propertied class continually 'kicks away the ladder' and offers technology transfers through parasitic debt, and then pretends they also climbed up/ascended using those strategies (which they didn't) [1]. the global south countries aren't 'behind' (and thus a 'developing' country): the global north propertied class makes and keeps them poor in the first place.

"Corruption, superpower style

According to the World Bank, corruption in the form of bribery and theft by government officials, the main target of the UN Convention, costs developing countries between $20bn and $40bn each year. That’s a lot of money. But it’s an extremely small proportion – only about 3 percent – of the total illicit flows that leak out of public coffers. On the other hand, multinational companies steal more than $900bn from developing countries each year through tax evasion and other illicit practices.

This enormous outflow of wealth is facilitated by a shadowy financial system that includes tax havens, paper companies, anonymous accounts, and fake foundations, with the City of London at the very heart of it. Over 30 percent of global foreign direct investment is booked through tax havens, which now collectively hide one-sixth of the world’s total private wealth.

This is a massive – indeed, fundamental – cause of poverty in the developing world, yet it does not register in the mainstream definition of corruption, absent from the UN Convention, and rarely, if ever, appears on the agenda of international development organisations." [2]

on top of the tax evasion, there is also the (ecologically) unequal exchange between the global north and global south:

"Imperial powers finally withdrew most of their flags and armies from the South in the mid-20th century. But over the following decades, economists and historians associated with “dependency theory” argued that the underlying patterns of colonial appropriation remained in place and continued to define the global economy. Imperialism never ended, they argued – it just changed form.

They were right. Recent research demonstrates that rich countries continue to rely on a large net appropriation from the global South, including tens of billions of tonnes of raw materials and hundreds of billions of hours of human labour per year – embodied not only in primary commodities, but also in high-tech industrial goods like smartphones, laptops, computer chips and cars, which over the past few decades have come to be overwhelmingly manufactured in the South.

This flow of net appropriation occurs because prices are systematically lower in the South than in the North. For instance, wages paid to Southern workers are on average one-fifth the level of Northern wages. This means that for every unit of embodied labour and resources that the South imports from the North, they have to export many more units to pay for it.

Economists Samir Amin and Arghiri Emmanuel described this as a “hidden transfer of value” from the South, which sustains high levels of income and consumption in the North. The drain takes place subtly and almost invisibly, without the overt violence of colonial occupation and therefore without provoking protest and moral outrage.

In a recent paper published in the journal New Political Economy, we built on the work of Amin and others to quantify the scale of drain through unequal exchange in the post-colonial era. We found that the drain increased dramatically during the 1980s and 1990s, as neoliberal structural adjustment programmes were imposed across the global South. Today, the global North drains from the South commodities worth $2.2 trillion per year, in Northern prices. For perspective, that amount of money would be enough to end extreme poverty, globally, fifteen times over." [3]

[1] Kicking Away the Ladder - Ha-Joon Chang, https://anthempress.com/kicking-away-the-ladder-pb

[2] Flipping the corruption myth - Jason Hickel, https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/2/1/flipping-the-cor...

[3] Rich countries drained $152tn from the global South since 1960 - Jason Hickel, https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/5/6/rich-countries-d...

Re: Apple Captures 75% of Global Handset Market Operating Profit in Q2 2021

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the criticism of underpaid foreign labor is entirely fair, but that’s largely a government failure to rein in labor exploitation and to regulate markets for fairness and competitiveness. in a well-functioning market, you’d have competition (slowly) drive profits down as the many competitors figure out ways to attract and retain customers through price and differentiation. that’s not to underplay apple’s role in explo…

> that’s largely a government failure to rein in labor exploitation and to regulate markets for fairness and competitiveness do you mean governments in the global south? if yes, you might be a victim to the (racist, white-supremacist) myth that countries in the global south are in some ways 'backward', and that through opening their countries to foreign direct investment they can somehow catch up with global north, d…

> "do you mean governments in the global south?"

no, i mean all governments, north, south, east, and west. globalization policies the world over favored capital over labor. it's not just one geographical set of governments.

Re: Apple Captures 75% of Global Handset Market Operating Profit in Q2 2021

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post #86

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> Half the reason people buy iPhones is to show other people they aren't poor While I'm pretty sure you jest here, this simply isn't true. iMessage, FaceTime, consistency with family and friends, and the (whether founded or not is up to you) trust in a machine that'll last you quite a few years and "just work" is the main reason people buy iPhones. Not saying that this is my thought process (i have my own reasons for…

I disagree, people will make up all sorts of smart-sounding rationales why they just need an iPhone. Just like they need that SUV, McMansion, or any other status good. And heck, they'll even believe their own reasoning. People typically aren't self-aware of their own status-seeking. But in the end that warm feeling from showing off their social status and rising above the unwashed Android masses is still half of the…

Oh please, no one's out here trying to "rise above the unwashed android masses" when they buy an iPhone, it's just what they are used to. It's not a status symbol, it's a fucking phone.

And despite what you believe, there are many legitimate reasons for choosing an iPhone over the competition, ones that don't revolve around "social status" or "flexing" or anything like that.

Even the anecdotes you hear of girls not dating android users and whatnot are comically blown out of proportion; look around you, who really gives a shit aside from nerds on HN?

Re: Apple Captures 75% of Global Handset Market Operating Profit in Q2 2021

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post #48

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I expect it’s more about the competition than those companies willingly leaving that level of profit on the table. In the android market, people have the option of switching to a competitor if you’re not price competitive yourself. For IOS, apple is the only game in town on hardware.

Maybe. I'm not so sure. In theory , a company like, say, Samsung could stop making cheaper, money-losing phones and invest primarily on making increasingly better, premium, profitable phones like the Galaxy Fold, but they choose not to do that, year after year.

>they choose not to do that, year after year

Because they could not simply take the profit that Apple is making. Surely they're not dumb enough to throw out profit for giggles.

Android phones face lots of competition from Android phones.

Re: Apple Captures 75% of Global Handset Market Operating Profit in Q2 2021

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post #71

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If they did they would be dead in a year. They sell a fraction of the >$1000 phones apple sells by the shipload. Their bread and butter is the cheap stuff. The same way nobody wants to spent $35k on a honda when they could have a tesla.

Looks like Honda Accord is approaching $32k on average[0]. 200k Honda Accords sold in the U.S. 2020[1]. 450k Tesla Model 3 + Y sold globally[2]. Though Model 3 and Y average price closer to $49k and $65k respectively[3]. If I have a point, it's that if you have $35k to spend, you're probably getting a high trim level Honda Accord. Because you need another $15k to get an "average" Tesla Model 3. (Obviously the Model 3…

The Y is a much more expensive car with a discontinued standard range version and the base model 3 is by far and away the best selling version of the vehicle.

Averages can be misleading. Id like to see the median prices given that the base tesla model 3 is VERY premium vs the base model accord which is not.

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