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Re: Michelin Airless

#31
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that part of the tire is open to the outside -- you're seeing a cross-section in the pictures and video.

For airless tires I've used a 4x4 (quad), the tires are open on the side just like these images.

For a passenger vehicle application, these tweels will have sidewalls. You don't hit highway speeds on your quad and that makes all the difference.

In fact you can see that the photo of the EV on their site has sidewalls.

Re: Michelin Airless

#32
post #13

Former automotive engineer chiming in. "Tweels" have been around a long time, but have always failed in terms of "NVH" (noise, vibration, harshness). Michelin is claiming that this generation of tweels are appropriate for passenger cars, which means that they think they've solved the NVH problem. They seem to be marketing these alongside EVs, I wonder if they're only really intended for lighter, compact-style cars. (…

EVs are quite heavy for their footprint due to the weight of the batteries.

Re: Michelin Airless

#33
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post #16

I don't worry about punctures at all, despite living in a country with a shitty roads. What I worry about A LOT is a catastrophic collision of tire with a 90 degree sharp pothole edge, often made by roadworkers before doing point repair, which potentially can destroy tire irreparably. I wonder if these tires are better protected against such impacts, and just looking at them it seems they are - no side walls which ar…

These tires do have sidewalls. The sidewalls are removed for marketing and demonstration purposes only.

I'm sure everyone in the tire industry (?) knows that, but it would be nice if Michelin had something to suggest that on their page.

Re: Michelin Airless

#34
post #16

I don't worry about punctures at all, despite living in a country with a shitty roads. What I worry about A LOT is a catastrophic collision of tire with a 90 degree sharp pothole edge, often made by roadworkers before doing point repair, which potentially can destroy tire irreparably. I wonder if these tires are better protected against such impacts, and just looking at them it seems they are - no side walls which ar…

Other comments here say that production tires will have sidewalls to protect the spokes and keep out rocks. If so, I'm a bit disappointed since I like the look of the spokes.

Regarding catastrophic collision with sharp edge, I think these tires will be susceptible as well. If it's enough of a bump to "bottom out", it's going to dent the rim.

Also, your comment about potholes reminded me of a time that I was driving with a friend and we hit a pothole and got a flat. My friend was driving and looked a the flat front tire and said "I'm glad I have a spare". I look at the flat back tire and said "Unless you have two, we're still going to need assistance."

Re: Michelin Airless

#36
post #27
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These tires do have sidewalls. The sidewalls are removed for marketing and demonstration purposes only.

I guess the point is if they can be removed for demonstrations, then they're not critical to the structure.

They may be for real world usage, you dont want rocks or sticks getting inside

Re: Michelin Airless

#37
I wonder what the speed rating of these will be.

(I'd guess they would overheat really fast if you drove them even moderately fast, plus the inertia would be pretty insane?)

Re: Michelin Airless

#38
post #13

Former automotive engineer chiming in. "Tweels" have been around a long time, but have always failed in terms of "NVH" (noise, vibration, harshness). Michelin is claiming that this generation of tweels are appropriate for passenger cars, which means that they think they've solved the NVH problem. They seem to be marketing these alongside EVs, I wonder if they're only really intended for lighter, compact-style cars. (…

EVs are usually much heavier than gas cars.

For the same form factor, yes that's true.

Re: Michelin Airless

#40
post #32
post #13

Former automotive engineer chiming in. "Tweels" have been around a long time, but have always failed in terms of "NVH" (noise, vibration, harshness). Michelin is claiming that this generation of tweels are appropriate for passenger cars, which means that they think they've solved the NVH problem. They seem to be marketing these alongside EVs, I wonder if they're only really intended for lighter, compact-style cars. (…

EVs are quite heavy for their footprint due to the weight of the batteries.

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