Wasn’t there a vitamin that humans produce when exposed to UV light that seemed to make the chance of getting infected a lot smaller? But hey, that’s not expensive patented unavailable medication.
Harnessing the benefits of UVA light treatment in Covid-19 patients
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Re: Harnessing the benefits of UVA light treatment in Covid-19 patients
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here is some fuel for your flamewar: this is the exact treatment Trump was riffing off of when the media collectively lost its mind and claimed that he told people to drink bleach.
It's really frustrating to see actual medical progress be pushed back in the public eye because some people have such intense dislike for someone. "Some guy we hate said this might work - quick, write a thousand articles about how he's not smart for recommending it and bring on doctors who have no relevant experience/knowledge/credentials to 'prove them wrong'!" This UV-A treatment looks very promising for people who…
Ventilators are nasty. Lots better than death, but they don't use them until that's the alternative for really good reasons.
Re: Harnessing the benefits of UVA light treatment in Covid-19 patients
#23Not to start a political off topic war, but the then sitting president of the US was heavily mocked for suggesting treatment options with UV be evaluated. [1] [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/health/sunlight-coronavir...
Yep, same thing with calling ivermectin horse medicine instead of representing it accurately, a nobel prize winning medicine of which billions of doses have been safely administred to humans. Good journalism is hard to find nowadays. But journalism infested with politics is worse, and so widespread nowadays.
I rarely (maybe never?) saw any journalist say that all ivermectin is horse medicine. However, people did take horse medicine because of the similarly irresponsible use of ivermectin as another weird political side-taking thing, the same way people bought UV products to use on themselves or ingested disinfectant. So, I think the criticism is mostly fair.
Re: Harnessing the benefits of UVA light treatment in Covid-19 patients
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here is some fuel for your flamewar: this is the exact treatment Trump was riffing off of when the media collectively lost its mind and claimed that he told people to drink bleach.
> Sounds interesting — right and then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning?
Fair enough. He suggested that injecting bleach could be a good idea.
Re: Harnessing the benefits of UVA light treatment in Covid-19 patients
#25Not to start a political off topic war, but the then sitting president of the US was heavily mocked for suggesting treatment options with UV be evaluated. [1] [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/health/sunlight-coronavir...
At the time of that statement, Cedars-Sinai researchers were actively evaluating use of UV lights in the lungs for treating COVID-19 and other infectious diseases.
https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/cedars-sinai-statement...
Preliminary research results look promising but it will probably take several more years for such devices to be available for routine patient care.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.05.21252997v...
Re: Harnessing the benefits of UVA light treatment in Covid-19 patients
#26Lung sunburn! Pardon me while i go scream for a minnit on that thought. I'd rather smoke oak again. Once unsquicked; it sounds like it might be a little better than ventilator damage and is a lot easier to control so that "burn" shouldn't actually happen. To kick off the flamewar: is discussing any treatment but vaccines still == "spreading anti-vax misinformation"?
> To kick off the flamewar: is discussing any treatment but vaccines still == "spreading anti-vax misinformation"?
Saying that a test with 5 patients of whom one didn’t survive has benefits to be harnessed is misinformation. All it indicates is that it may be possible to reduce viral load by exposing internal tissue to UVA light and that the treatment doesn’t seem to kill patients immediately.
Let’s see if they can do it with more patients and show some statistically significant results.
Re: Harnessing the benefits of UVA light treatment in Covid-19 patients
#27Lung sunburn! Pardon me while i go scream for a minnit on that thought. I'd rather smoke oak again. Once unsquicked; it sounds like it might be a little better than ventilator damage and is a lot easier to control so that "burn" shouldn't actually happen. To kick off the flamewar: is discussing any treatment but vaccines still == "spreading anti-vax misinformation"?
> To kick off the flamewar: is discussing any treatment but vaccines still == "spreading anti-vax misinformation"? No, only if the discussions on other treatments are done without misinformation and some basis on science. For example, it would be good if you didn't say things like "it sounds like it might be a little better than ventilator damage" when there's no data to back that up, and there's a major difference:…
How does one discuss a complex topic with others without some degree of misinformation being present in the conversation?
Re: Harnessing the benefits of UVA light treatment in Covid-19 patients
#28Not to start a political off topic war, but the then sitting president of the US was heavily mocked for suggesting treatment options with UV be evaluated. [1] [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/health/sunlight-coronavir...
The root of the criticism is that a sitting president wields a lot or authority and is not supposed to tout experimental treatments. The actual media spectacle we've got though...
Re: Harnessing the benefits of UVA light treatment in Covid-19 patients
#29Wasn’t there a vitamin that humans produce when exposed to UV light that seemed to make the chance of getting infected a lot smaller? But hey, that’s not expensive patented unavailable medication.
There is strong evidence that vitamin D deficiency is a risk factor for severe COVID-19. However inserting a UV light in the lungs will not stimulate vitamin D production.
Re: Harnessing the benefits of UVA light treatment in Covid-19 patients
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
> To kick off the flamewar: is discussing any treatment but vaccines still == "spreading anti-vax misinformation"? No, only if the discussions on other treatments are done without misinformation and some basis on science. For example, it would be good if you didn't say things like "it sounds like it might be a little better than ventilator damage" when there's no data to back that up, and there's a major difference:…
How does one discuss a complex topic with others without some degree of misinformation being present in the conversation?
Some degree of misinformation will always happen, of course. But there's a lot of difference between "I heard that the vaccine changes your DNA, is that right?" and "The vaccine is untested and made to control you, meanwhile ivermectin is fully effective against COVID and the doctors are lying to you".