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Re: UK MP speech about freedoms censored by YouTube

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Post by postingawayonhn »

basisword wrote: post #9

"Freedom is the reason the UK has had such a long an illustrious history." I'm sure the inhabitants of the many countries the British invaded and continue to hang on to would disagree. The Online Safety Bill he mentions in his outrage at YouTube taking down his speech is itself an attack on freedoms. He's also part of a political party working to criminalise protests they disagree with.

The US, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, India, etc. are all democracies where the UK had a big influence on their culture.

Re: UK MP speech about freedoms censored by YouTube

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Post by postingawayonhn »

basisword wrote: post #52
wizard-beta wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I'm sure the inhabitants of the many countries the British invaded and continue to hang on to would disagree. Propose one colony where the indigenous society was freer

It's impossible to know. You would need to be able to predict how that country would have evolved over the last number of years without British involvement. Comparing it now to how it was when it was colonised by the British is pointless.

I don't think it is. I think comparing British freedom at the time to the freedom in the native society is totally fair.

And countries don't evolve in a vacuum. Many countries would have adopted British ideas of freedom just through observation.

Re: UK MP speech about freedoms censored by YouTube

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Post by cute_boi »

chhs wrote: post #28
my123 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PeerTube doesn't scale when most of the user base nowadays is on mobile, with asymmetric connections that have data caps. (which happens to be the real world)

PeerTube doesn't scale with large number of users, period. There's currently no way to horizontally scale an instance, so after an instance grows past a certain size it can't transcode uploaded videos fast enough. I love the project but if it can't utilize multiple compute instances to transcode video (or plug into a cloud platforms video transcoding offering), it's never going to grow past this blocker.

I suffered this problem 1 year ago and after raising issue in github I realized peertube wasn't designed from ground to be scaled horizontally. Not only upload video but harddisk is my concern like distributed storage is an after thought.

However I also acknowledge the authors are very open to ideas and they are really awesome. I guess some wizards who knows scaling related things need to be hired and it will costs a lot of money. AFAIK peertube generates money from donation so I don't think we should be harsh on them.

Re: UK MP speech about freedoms censored by YouTube

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Post by postingawayonhn »

lentil_soup wrote: post #79
wizard-beta wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I'm sure the inhabitants of the many countries the British invaded and continue to hang on to would disagree. Propose one colony where the indigenous society was freer

is this a new revisionist rhetoric being pushed all of a sudden? I keep hearing the same arguments in Spain about how they brought freedom to the Americas I understand being unconformable with one's country's past, but the mental hoops to try to get some justification to colonization is so strange. Even if (and that's a BIG if) those societies ended up "freer" let's not fool ourselves, not a single country went to co…

> not a single country went to colonise another for hundreds of years to make it freer, they went there to exploit it.

Generally speaking the colonisers established their colonies to access natural resources, being new agricultural techniques to undeveloped lands, and engage in trade. The culture of the coloniser naturally came along with them.

Even if there were no specific goal of bringing freedom that may still have been a side effect.

Re: UK MP speech about freedoms censored by YouTube

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Post by jf22 »

valdiorn wrote: post #100
icare_1er wrote: post #50

Those who brought out Champagne when Trump was censored... watch out... sooner or later, you'll be the one censored, and no one will be there to help you.

Is this apt for the situation? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_ ...

The slippery slope argument, which is already a logical fallacy, that digital censorship will lead to persecution is ridiculous.

Re: UK MP speech about freedoms censored by YouTube

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Post by PontifexMinimus »

newswasboring wrote: post #84
PontifexMinimus wrote: post #12

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It would make a lot of sense for the UK government to encourage UK-based PeerTube websites (and other federated social media such as Mastodon, PixelFed, Lemmy, etc), and to make sure all UK government content is uploaded on such sites. Then once they have done that, and these sites have lots of users and traction, mandate that Google, Facebook etc also federate using ActivityPub. If they don't, block their sites.

Why not just make them implement ActivityPub now? It will promote adversarial interoperability and give rise to more competition.

Now or later -- either works for me!

Re: UK MP speech about freedoms censored by YouTube

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Post by PontifexMinimus »

my123 wrote: post #24
PontifexMinimus wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would make a lot of sense for the UK government to encourage UK-based PeerTube websites (and other federated social media such as Mastodon, PixelFed, Lemmy, etc), and to make sure all UK government content is uploaded on such sites. Then once they have done that, and these sites have lots of users and traction, mandate that Google, Facebook etc also federate using ActivityPub. If they don't, block their sites.

PeerTube doesn't scale when most of the user base nowadays is on mobile, with asymmetric connections that have data caps. (which happens to be the real world)

> most of the user base nowadays is on mobile

I've never actually watched a video on a mobile device (I tried once and didn't have enough bandwidth).

If I'm at home or office, I have a desktop PC, and if I'm out and about I have better things to be doing with my time.

Re: UK MP speech about freedoms censored by YouTube

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Post by torstenvl »

jameshart wrote: post #72
ColinHayhurst wrote: post #2

The video has now been restored: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VidUXZjzNVk Worth a watch. Should we "assume the best" by assuming this was taken down by AI, and without human check? MP says: “This is an outrageous attack on free speech. Throughout the pandemic we've seen blatant attempts by Big Tech to silence opposition voices challenging the conventional wisdom. This episode serves as a further example of the wor…

The idea that a member of parliament should enjoy at least a a much freedom of speech over private media as the broader public actually deserves some challenge. In the UK tradition, political speech in the private sphere is somewhat tightly regulated. As an MP he can’t buy advertising space on terrestrial TV; during election cycles if he is featured on TV the broadcasters are obliged to give equal time to his opponen…

> the broadcasters are obliged to give equal time to his opponents

Um. This is not the rebuttal to the MP's position that you think it is.

Re: UK MP speech about freedoms censored by YouTube

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Post by PontifexMinimus »

chhs wrote: post #28
my123 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PeerTube doesn't scale when most of the user base nowadays is on mobile, with asymmetric connections that have data caps. (which happens to be the real world)

PeerTube doesn't scale with large number of users, period. There's currently no way to horizontally scale an instance, so after an instance grows past a certain size it can't transcode uploaded videos fast enough. I love the project but if it can't utilize multiple compute instances to transcode video (or plug into a cloud platforms video transcoding offering), it's never going to grow past this blocker.

> There's currently no way to horizontally scale an instance, so after an instance grows past a certain size it can't transcode uploaded videos fast enough.

I wasn't aware of that -- fixing it would be a very necessary improvement to the codebase to make the software more useful on big sites.

Re: UK MP speech about freedoms censored by YouTube

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Post by zimpenfish »

lamppost123 wrote: post #102
zimpenfish wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the CRT "fact" that all white people enjoy privilege Do you have a source for this? I am very far from knowledgeable about CRT but AFAIK what you've said there is just an incorrect right-wing talking point in the current anti-CRT fervour.

I believe there are many schools of CRT, so nitpicking is always possible. Di Angelo, whose views are being taught at Google, seems to believe that white privilege and white unconscious racism are prevalent. I'm not sure that this is a "right wing" talking point. Here is a Black man, who studied CS at Oxford, talking about white privilege: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAo3t_KWHhI

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAo3t_KWHhI

I mean, looking at the content, that's a heavily conservative, definitely alt-right, if not outright right-wing, channel.

And the segment immediately prior to him proclaiming the white privilege is "a garbage concept" is him proudly relating the story about how he triggered and trolled people by "identifying as a female powerlifter" and all the alt-right people who covered it...

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