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Re: UK MP speech about freedoms censored by YouTube

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Post by that_guy_iain »

valdiorn wrote: post #98
that_guy_iain wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can someone explain to me how this makes sense when they are letting insulate britain block motorways? Like which protests are they trying to stop? They are letting them? I'm pretty sure they get arrested every single time. Or are you wanting a instant jail sentence for being suspect of making people late?

the police and courts have the ability to impose bans on individuals returning to protests and re-offending. They could quite easily say "if you participate in another protest where a road is blocked in the next 12 months, we'll hand you a 1 month jail sentence". For some reason this isn't being used, and they just let people go again and again, and they always return a few days later. Well, actually, they DO issue t…

The bans have been imposed. They've literally got multiple injuctions againist them.

> You take a handful of grandmas and stick them in actual, factual jail for a month, see how many people return to protest next time.

What you think they would be victimised? Mate they won't be touched and all the cons will love them. Bashing old people gets you put into protection in the jails.

Re: UK MP speech about freedoms censored by YouTube

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Post by lamppost123 »

zimpenfish wrote: post #82
vfred wrote: post #36

I'm not surprised. Google cancelled a Ukrainian engineer who had objections to the CRT "fact" that all white people enjoy privilege. Remember that Ukrainians had to suffer Hitler, the Great Famine, Stalin and the Soviet Union. The insidious mind games that the Google nomenklatura plays are described here, by an honest and harmless person. Highly recommended, also the comment section under the video: https://www.youtu…

> the CRT "fact" that all white people enjoy privilege Do you have a source for this? I am very far from knowledgeable about CRT but AFAIK what you've said there is just an incorrect right-wing talking point in the current anti-CRT fervour.

I believe there are many schools of CRT, so nitpicking is always possible.

Di Angelo, whose views are being taught at Google, seems to believe that white privilege and white unconscious racism are prevalent.

I'm not sure that this is a "right wing" talking point. Here is a Black man, who studied CS at Oxford, talking about white privilege:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAo3t_KWHhI

Re: UK MP speech about freedoms censored by YouTube

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Post by lamppost123 »

sudosysgen wrote: post #89
vfred wrote: post #36

I'm not surprised. Google cancelled a Ukrainian engineer who had objections to the CRT "fact" that all white people enjoy privilege. Remember that Ukrainians had to suffer Hitler, the Great Famine, Stalin and the Soviet Union. The insidious mind games that the Google nomenklatura plays are described here, by an honest and harmless person. Highly recommended, also the comment section under the video: https://www.youtu…

It's funny, you're denouncing CRT, but using CRT to analyze Soviet history in a racially critical manner.

I don't see CRT being used, just common sense. One does not need a framework for everything.

Re: UK MP speech about freedoms censored by YouTube

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Post by crateless »

wizard-beta wrote: post #46
crateless wrote: post #44

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> Propose one colony where the indigenous society was freer So the assertion is that being colonised increased their freedom?

Yes, considerably.

Arguing that labour camps, apartheid, the raping both literal and figurative as well as outright genocide that occurred were justified because people today are "freer" (IYO) is a stretch.

I don't know man, but arguing for a process that discriminated against people on the basis of their color is something that I thought was a thing of the past. I guess I was wrong.

Re: UK MP speech about freedoms censored by YouTube

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Post by sudosysgen »

lamppost123 wrote: post #103
sudosysgen wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny, you're denouncing CRT, but using CRT to analyze Soviet history in a racially critical manner.

I don't see CRT being used, just common sense. One does not need a framework for everything.

CRT is just the common sense of realising that government treated certain perceived races differently and the rest is mostly just normal history.

That being said, Ukrainian opression in the USSR is not something you can only approach with common sense. You need a rigorous approach to it and even then you can land on quite different conclusions.

Re: UK MP speech about freedoms censored by YouTube

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Post by api »

sudosysgen wrote: post #106
lamppost123 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see CRT being used, just common sense. One does not need a framework for everything.

CRT is just the common sense of realising that government treated certain perceived races differently and the rest is mostly just normal history. That being said, Ukrainian opression in the USSR is not something you can only approach with common sense. You need a rigorous approach to it and even then you can land on quite different conclusions.

When I started seeing the right-wing freakout over CRT I went and read some stuff on it.

Let me put it this way. Yes, there are things I disagree with in the CRT package, but there was nothing in there that justifies the amount of attention it's getting.

Some parts were quite reasonable. The idea that it's not just the letter of the law that matters but how the law is applied by the actual people applying it is common sense. The idea that a bureaucracy or social system can have biases built into it that none of the participants are fully aware of (systemic racism) is also obvious to anyone who has ever dealt with bureaucracies. This latter point is the base from which the straw man “all whites are racist” is extracted. That’s not what they are really saying. They are pointing out that one can participate in a system that has built in biases without consciously holding those biases.

Like most political freak outs (including some on the left) it's overblown bullshit to rally up the base. Remember that modern US elections tend to be won on which side has larger turnout, and getting the base riled up with anger is the way you maximize turnout.

The usual tactic is to cherry pick the craziest possible quotes or craziest people from the other side and portray them as representative of the entire movement. Sure you can find people in the CRT community saying stupid crazy things, but that is true for any group of people if you search hard enough.

The left does this too by e.g. painting all Christian conservatives as Dominionists when the latter is an extreme fringe position rejected by most.

Re: UK MP speech about freedoms censored by YouTube

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Post by nathias »

PontifexMinimus wrote: post #12
andrekandre wrote: post #7

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> "Govnt must stop the erosion of free speech online. That starts with looking again at the wholly inadequate proposals in the Online Safety Bill” why don't they (govt) open a public video site for anyone to upload to, so they don't have to mess with private sites? forcing private entities to host things they dont want to sounds like a huge can of worms

It would make a lot of sense for the UK government to encourage UK-based PeerTube websites (and other federated social media such as Mastodon, PixelFed, Lemmy, etc), and to make sure all UK government content is uploaded on such sites. Then once they have done that, and these sites have lots of users and traction, mandate that Google, Facebook etc also federate using ActivityPub. If they don't, block their sites.

The youtube alternatives are becoming useful, I can watch most of the content I would otherwise watch on youtube on odysee, it even has a much better UX.

Re: UK MP speech about freedoms censored by YouTube

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Post by ColinHayhurst »

PontifexMinimus wrote: post #12
andrekandre wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Govnt must stop the erosion of free speech online. That starts with looking again at the wholly inadequate proposals in the Online Safety Bill” why don't they (govt) open a public video site for anyone to upload to, so they don't have to mess with private sites? forcing private entities to host things they dont want to sounds like a huge can of worms

It would make a lot of sense for the UK government to encourage UK-based PeerTube websites (and other federated social media such as Mastodon, PixelFed, Lemmy, etc), and to make sure all UK government content is uploaded on such sites. Then once they have done that, and these sites have lots of users and traction, mandate that Google, Facebook etc also federate using ActivityPub. If they don't, block their sites.

Th UK government is more interested in encouraging "safety tech" including age verification tech. There is no programme, fund, encouragement or anything of support for anyone doing something like a UK-based PeerTube. In their eyes this is not "innovation". I am very happy to stand corrected but speak from 30 years of mixed experiences.

Re: UK MP speech about freedoms censored by YouTube

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Post by cvakf »

sudosysgen wrote: post #106
lamppost123 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see CRT being used, just common sense. One does not need a framework for everything.

CRT is just the common sense of realising that government treated certain perceived races differently and the rest is mostly just normal history. That being said, Ukrainian opression in the USSR is not something you can only approach with common sense. You need a rigorous approach to it and even then you can land on quite different conclusions.

This is the danger of these discussions. Yes, perhaps Ukrainians have been structurally oppressed, but that is irrelevant to the point here. The same would have happened to a white engineer from Moscow whose great grand parents had been killed by Stalin.
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