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Parcel v2

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Re: Parcel v2

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Post by izelnakri »

AaronFriel wrote: post #8

> An all new plugin system, which makes Parcel fully extensible. This allows Parcel to scale from small side projects to massive production applications with complex build requirements. Everything old is new again! Parcel embarks on the path that Webpack did, and it's only a matter of time before the plugins are doing more and more core work, and Parcel's successor will again rewrite them and bring those in to the co…

controversial comments always make the first page/gets the most attention. I suggest you refrain from them because I found your comment pointless/fake and wrong after using both tools & webpack plugins for many years.

Re: Parcel v2

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Post by AaronFriel »

izelnakri wrote: post #21
AaronFriel wrote: post #8

> An all new plugin system, which makes Parcel fully extensible. This allows Parcel to scale from small side projects to massive production applications with complex build requirements. Everything old is new again! Parcel embarks on the path that Webpack did, and it's only a matter of time before the plugins are doing more and more core work, and Parcel's successor will again rewrite them and bring those in to the co…

controversial comments always make the first page/gets the most attention. I suggest you refrain from them because I found your comment pointless/fake and wrong after using both tools & webpack plugins for many years.

I'm sorry you felt that an observation on the cyclical nature of technology tools was controversial, pointless, fake, and wrong.

I think it's pretty impressive if my comment was all of those things.

Re: Parcel v2

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Post by benatkin »

herpderperator wrote: post #15

I think https://vitejs.dev/ is better. It pulls in a much smaller set of packages for a hello-world non-CRA react app. I think it was something like 1.3k lines of yarn.lock for Vite vs 6k lines for Parcel v2. JS projects shouldn't be bloated, even if this would get optimized-out for production. In the ideal world, you would use esbuild only, but you still need the other features for development: hot reload, hot modul…

vite uses Rollup, and I think it's probably better too. When I see zero configuration I become less interested in a project, because I like being able to configure things.

Edit: I found this on Vite's website: "Vite plugins extends Rollup's well-designed plugin interface with a few extra Vite-specific options. As a result, you can write a Vite plugin once and have it work for both dev and build." https://vitejs.dev/guide/api-plugin.html

Re: Parcel v2

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Post by hsn915 »

izelnakri wrote: post #21
AaronFriel wrote: post #8

> An all new plugin system, which makes Parcel fully extensible. This allows Parcel to scale from small side projects to massive production applications with complex build requirements. Everything old is new again! Parcel embarks on the path that Webpack did, and it's only a matter of time before the plugins are doing more and more core work, and Parcel's successor will again rewrite them and bring those in to the co…

controversial comments always make the first page/gets the most attention. I suggest you refrain from them because I found your comment pointless/fake and wrong after using both tools & webpack plugins for many years.

I think anyone who has the misfortune of having to deal with webpack knows the pain very well.

Re: Parcel v2

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Post by hsn915 »

herpderperator wrote: post #15

I think https://vitejs.dev/ is better. It pulls in a much smaller set of packages for a hello-world non-CRA react app. I think it was something like 1.3k lines of yarn.lock for Vite vs 6k lines for Parcel v2. JS projects shouldn't be bloated, even if this would get optimized-out for production. In the ideal world, you would use esbuild only, but you still need the other features for development: hot reload, hot modul…

In the real world, you can use esbuild only.

You actually don't need hot reload or hot module replacement. esbuild is so fast you can just reload the page and it reloads instantly.

hot reload is really bad with slow bundlers. One of the projects I have to maintain at work has this hot reload feature. Here's how it goes: I edit a sass file, it recompiles in the background for 5 seconds, then reloads 4 or 5 times. Why? Who knows.

Re: Parcel v2

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Post by catlifeonmars »

benatkin wrote: post #23
herpderperator wrote: post #15

I think https://vitejs.dev/ is better. It pulls in a much smaller set of packages for a hello-world non-CRA react app. I think it was something like 1.3k lines of yarn.lock for Vite vs 6k lines for Parcel v2. JS projects shouldn't be bloated, even if this would get optimized-out for production. In the ideal world, you would use esbuild only, but you still need the other features for development: hot reload, hot modul…

vite uses Rollup, and I think it's probably better too. When I see zero configuration I become less interested in a project, because I like being able to configure things. Edit: I found this on Vite's website: "Vite plugins extends Rollup's well-designed plugin interface with a few extra Vite-specific options. As a result, you can write a Vite plugin once and have it work for both dev and build." https://vitejs.dev/g…

I don’t think zero configuration is mutually exclusive with full configuration control. Zero config is often just a design exercise in setting reasonable defaults on top of a configurable system.

Re: Parcel v2

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Post by izelnakri »

hsn915 wrote: post #24
izelnakri wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

controversial comments always make the first page/gets the most attention. I suggest you refrain from them because I found your comment pointless/fake and wrong after using both tools & webpack plugins for many years.

I think anyone who has the misfortune of having to deal with webpack knows the pain very well.

Webpack is a pain to use I agree, I've never liked webpack. My comment is on the behavior of trying to look smart/funny(meme-y) while lacking actual substance.

Re: Parcel v2

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Post by hsn915 »

cetra3 wrote: post #2

I moved from Parcel (v1) to ViteJS because it felt a bit faster. Is there a performance or other type comparison between Parcel and some of the newer bundlers? (I.e, vite, snowpack, etc..)

I really don't understand vite. They use esbuild under the hood for some of the tasks, but they still ultimately use rollup. I tried to use it for a project I'm working on and it was more than 50 times slower than esbuild. (esbuild took half a second, vite took 30 seconds).

Re: Parcel v2

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Post by hsn915 »

izelnakri wrote: post #27
hsn915 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think anyone who has the misfortune of having to deal with webpack knows the pain very well.

Webpack is a pain to use I agree, I've never liked webpack. My comment is on the behavior of trying to look smart/funny(meme-y) while lacking actual substance.

When A points out a real problem, and B comments with "old man yelling at cloud". Who's the one exhibiting "problematic" behavior? I think it's B.

Re: Parcel v2

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Post by tshaddox »

AaronFriel wrote: post #8

> An all new plugin system, which makes Parcel fully extensible. This allows Parcel to scale from small side projects to massive production applications with complex build requirements. Everything old is new again! Parcel embarks on the path that Webpack did, and it's only a matter of time before the plugins are doing more and more core work, and Parcel's successor will again rewrite them and bring those in to the co…

That sounds...good!
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