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Re: Steve, Please Buy Us A Carrier

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It's interesting, but I have not had too many issues with ATT coverage recently. It's almost like they fixed things. Maybe it's just my area (Bay Area - Peninsula), but I wonder if everyone else is still regularly experiencing the claimed problems with AT&T.

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Re: Steve, Please Buy Us A Carrier

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Fails the three primary market advantages that Apple always goes for: - Lots of opportunities to innovate (regulation and spectrum issues with the FCC, patents on the major wireless technologies involved, all the infrastructure equipment is produced/procured from 3rd parties) - Large profit margin (carriers aren't generally 40-60% margin operations like the rest of Apple) - Low ongoing overhead (lots of maintenance o…

You could make roughly the same points about the iTunes / record label relationship. If it were enough of a strategic advantage it might happen. I wouldn't cross your fingers though.

I'm sorry, but only two of those points are true. When iTunes came out, there was nothing like it in the market. A great way to manage and buy new music all at one place? Plenty of room for invention.

The proof that is was such a unique experience? The labels spent the next 2 years fighting tooth and nail for 'control' of their music catalogs back from iTunes.

Re: Steve, Please Buy Us A Carrier

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To be noted: this is written by Jean-Louis Gassée, former Apple executive and founder of Be Incorporated, which was at some point very close to be bought by Apple before Apple bought NeXT to get the foundation of what is now Mac OS X. (which also brought Steve Jobs back to Apple…)

I'm bringing this up not to say that this is insider's information or that it is thus more likely to happen, but just because in this case, the author is more significant than some rambling from a random blogger. That theme is not new, so it's interesting that he would bring it up.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Louis_Gass%C3%A9e)

Re: Steve, Please Buy Us A Carrier

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Apple went from being a company with niche product and small market share (that I loved) to a worldwide juggernaut that many thought would save us from the anti-consumer duopoly we have with AT&T and Verizon. While we did end up with better phones and software, developers just answer to a new master. While I find the closed model of iOS disagreeable and anti-consumer, what is worse is that Apple is taking the closed model of iOS and spreading it like a virus into the Mac. And since Apple, the company beloved by “all” can do it, it clears the way for everyone else.

So no, as bad as the current duopoly is, I don’t think Apple becoming a carrier will make it any better.

Re: Steve, Please Buy Us A Carrier

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Apple would be spending half its cash pile to acquire a domestic company. Nearly two-thirds (62%) of the company's sales are international [1]; furthermore, I would guess that much of the company's growth is in international markets, especially in Asia. Unless Apple is seeking to improve its operational expertise in running carriers in order to buy up carriers throughout the world, this acquisition would be a very cu…

There are plenty of reasons Apple won't buy a carrier (I think namely because it wouldn't be approved without concessions that Steve Jobs would never live with), but money isn't one of them. Interest rates are very near zero and Apple isn't exactly a credit risk. Not to mention Apple's stock value...

If you are acquiring a 39+ billion dollar company, money is a factor.

Considering Apple's capital structure, interest rates aren't really a key consideration here. "Apple's stock value" reflects the fact that they invest in relatively high return projects and that investors expect them to continue to do so. This type of acquisition would not be satisfactory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weighted_average_cost_of_capita...

Re: Steve, Please Buy Us A Carrier

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could make roughly the same points about the iTunes / record label relationship. If it were enough of a strategic advantage it might happen. I wouldn't cross your fingers though.

I'm sorry, but only two of those points are true. When iTunes came out, there was nothing like it in the market. A great way to manage and buy new music all at one place? Plenty of room for invention. The proof that is was such a unique experience? The labels spent the next 2 years fighting tooth and nail for 'control' of their music catalogs back from iTunes.

I agree. Imagine not looking at your cell phone and thinking about how some shitty company with a government-granted oligopoly is screwing you over and treating you badly.

Re: Steve, Please Buy Us A Carrier

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Apple has no reason to buy a carrier as it has no reason to buy a power company in a country with frequent power outages.

Unless they have a magic way to make 3G/4g work for everybody and everywhere, they will just pick up all the consumer rage that at the moment AT&T and the likes are shielding away from them.

Re: Steve, Please Buy Us A Carrier

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Fails the three primary market advantages that Apple always goes for: - Lots of opportunities to innovate (regulation and spectrum issues with the FCC, patents on the major wireless technologies involved, all the infrastructure equipment is produced/procured from 3rd parties) - Large profit margin (carriers aren't generally 40-60% margin operations like the rest of Apple) - Low ongoing overhead (lots of maintenance o…

It depends on how it works out, but I could see a model in the near future where the infrastructure and selling the service are split up. There's already a bunch of MVNOs (Mobile virtual network operators), and that will only grow. There will be a point where network operators are really just doing that: operating the network, not selling you minutes. That would allow network operators to focus on their core competence (or what should be their core competence), operating a good, reliable network. All too often now, the telecom industry feels like bait and switch or an extortion scheme...

On an aside note, there's a group of students here in the Netherlands that want to do that: setup a MVNO as a coop or a non-profit, that will essentially give you SIP/data of your calls, instead of handling routing from A-Z. See http://limesco.org/wordpress/, though most of it is in Dutch.

And getting back to Apple: an iPhone MVNO could work well. On the other hand, Apple has rules about selling iPhones on networks that make Apple like a carrier already: iPhone data has to be 2x as fast as any other comparable plan, etc. Apple has the carriers in their grip...

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