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Re: Disabling /all chat in matchmade queues

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Post by birdyrooster » Wed, Oct 13, 2021, 5:57 AM UTC

chmod775 wrote: post #9

That's pretty misguided. It's team chat that is toxic, not /all chat. /all chat is typically full of jokes and banter. Your opponent is not going to flame you for making what they think is a mistake. In fact /all chat can offset negative interactions you have with your team. It's not uncommon for someone from one team to give angry members of the other a "reality check" from an unbiased position, usually ending any t…

You are mostly right that team chat is more toxic than all, but I’ve seen all chat be very toxic on a regular basis.

Re: Disabling /all chat in matchmade queues

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Oct 13, 2021, 5:58 AM UTC

chmod775 wrote: post #9

That's pretty misguided. It's team chat that is toxic, not /all chat. /all chat is typically full of jokes and banter. Your opponent is not going to flame you for making what they think is a mistake. In fact /all chat can offset negative interactions you have with your team. It's not uncommon for someone from one team to give angry members of the other a "reality check" from an unbiased position, usually ending any t…

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Re: Disabling /all chat in matchmade queues

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Post by creshal » Wed, Oct 13, 2021, 6:03 AM UTC

chmod775 wrote: post #9

That's pretty misguided. It's team chat that is toxic, not /all chat. /all chat is typically full of jokes and banter. Your opponent is not going to flame you for making what they think is a mistake. In fact /all chat can offset negative interactions you have with your team. It's not uncommon for someone from one team to give angry members of the other a "reality check" from an unbiased position, usually ending any t…

> That's pretty misguided.

Seems to about sum up Riot's management these days.

Re: Disabling /all chat in matchmade queues

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Post by ungawatkt » Wed, Oct 13, 2021, 6:04 AM UTC

glanzwulf wrote: post #7

Not sure how I feel about this. On one hand, I get it, all chat can be a source of twisted toxic wasteland. But on the other hand, sometimes it's fun, so let people communicate and solve the toxic wasteland some other way. A simpler fix for me would've been give the users the option to hide/deactivate the all chat. If they want to talk they'll keep it on if the other team is a bunch of dicks they'll report them and h…

I dunno, at this point "LOL toxic" is such a meme that it's probably a reasonable barrier to entry for folks,so they're probably trying to address that. And "sometimes fun" isn't enough to get over "usually not fun".

And it isn't entirely unreasonable, I thought the toxicity was overstated until I tried league, and my first game I got yelled at and called various slurs for not playing right, same for the next 2 games I played until I quit forever (because there are other fun games, sure that was years ago but why bother trying again when I can just play X), and that was from my own teammates (in wood tier), not even the other team.

Anecdotal for sure, but I suspect not terribly unusual if not that fast, and from the player side it's less "I'm offended" and more "huh, I could just play anything else". Especially if dealing with the toxicity is opt-out rather than opt-in, or gives the player fomo, like an option to disable all chat would implicitly be/do.

Edit: I replied to this one because it made the most context sense, but it's not really a direct agreement or refute of anything in the parent

Re: Disabling /all chat in matchmade queues

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Post by johnisgood » Wed, Oct 13, 2021, 6:05 AM UTC

chmod775 wrote: post #9

That's pretty misguided. It's team chat that is toxic, not /all chat. /all chat is typically full of jokes and banter. Your opponent is not going to flame you for making what they think is a mistake. In fact /all chat can offset negative interactions you have with your team. It's not uncommon for someone from one team to give angry members of the other a "reality check" from an unbiased position, usually ending any t…

Funny thing is that you can already disable /all chat, and it is disabled by default.

> All Chat is automatically disabled when you first download League.[1]

[1] https://support-leagueoflegends.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/artic...

Re: Disabling /all chat in matchmade queues

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Post by unrealhoang » Wed, Oct 13, 2021, 6:06 AM UTC

This suites the paternalistic approach style by Riot.

On the other side, Dota2 having a player allchat a triggering "?" in a pro match is one of the most epic moments.

Re: Disabling /all chat in matchmade queues

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Post by bpye » Wed, Oct 13, 2021, 6:06 AM UTC

chmod775 wrote: post #9

That's pretty misguided. It's team chat that is toxic, not /all chat. /all chat is typically full of jokes and banter. Your opponent is not going to flame you for making what they think is a mistake. In fact /all chat can offset negative interactions you have with your team. It's not uncommon for someone from one team to give angry members of the other a "reality check" from an unbiased position, usually ending any t…

I never really played LoL but that was my experience with Dota 2 - with the exception of the end of the game when the enemy team might well flame you if you're doing badly.

Re: Disabling /all chat in matchmade queues

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Post by johnisgood » Wed, Oct 13, 2021, 6:07 AM UTC

glanzwulf wrote: post #7

Not sure how I feel about this. On one hand, I get it, all chat can be a source of twisted toxic wasteland. But on the other hand, sometimes it's fun, so let people communicate and solve the toxic wasteland some other way. A simpler fix for me would've been give the users the option to hide/deactivate the all chat. If they want to talk they'll keep it on if the other team is a bunch of dicks they'll report them and h…

> A simpler fix for me would've been give the users the option to hide/deactivate the all chat.

B-but they can already do that, and it is disabled by default.

> All Chat is automatically disabled when you first download League.[1]

[1] https://support-leagueoflegends.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/artic...

Re: Disabling /all chat in matchmade queues

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Post by restlessbytes » Wed, Oct 13, 2021, 6:10 AM UTC

glanzwulf wrote: post #7

Not sure how I feel about this. On one hand, I get it, all chat can be a source of twisted toxic wasteland. But on the other hand, sometimes it's fun, so let people communicate and solve the toxic wasteland some other way. A simpler fix for me would've been give the users the option to hide/deactivate the all chat. If they want to talk they'll keep it on if the other team is a bunch of dicks they'll report them and h…

This point is addressed in the article:

> "While /all chat can be the source of fun social interaction between teams, as well as some good-hearted banter, right now negative interactions outweigh the positives."

Re: Disabling /all chat in matchmade queues

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Post by Jare » Wed, Oct 13, 2021, 6:11 AM UTC

chmod775 wrote: post #9

That's pretty misguided. It's team chat that is toxic, not /all chat. /all chat is typically full of jokes and banter. Your opponent is not going to flame you for making what they think is a mistake. In fact /all chat can offset negative interactions you have with your team. It's not uncommon for someone from one team to give angry members of the other a "reality check" from an unbiased position, usually ending any t…

I feel that this is really an experiment to gather data on how dynamics change. A fairly radical one, but not something that they think is going to be "a solution" in itself. It's true in my (very old and short) experience with LoL, that the worst toxicity came from random teammates, but disabling team chat is not so easy to experiment. I would still bet that the solution lies in better in-game tools to replace team chat, but that's a huge problem to solve (the low hanging fruit with map pings etc is already in place).