Hey I know someone who goes to that school, interesting. He was telling me about this incident before
IoT hacking and rickrolling my high school district
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Re: IoT hacking and rickrolling my high school district
#122Someone I know did something similar, was arrested in their college dorm, and at the sentencing hearing in federal court was fined and sentenced to 5 years probation, and now has a criminal record. This kid is very very lucky. Obviously they violated the CFAA which carries severe criminal penalties. They engaged in actual hacking without any permission or defined scope. And they exploited the system without any respo…
Posts like yours validate the insane over criminalization of what essentially amounts to a prank. I had literally the exact same experience in high school. Got expelled and had to get a GED. They could have easily pressed charges. Part of the issue is people like you who advocate for respecting "the system" and essentially scaring kids into not doing anything. Except that simply re-enforces the draconian laws that ar…
This is a very complicated problem.
Unless you kill someone I generally don’t believe in life long criminal records. They only serve to drive people into further criminality.
I imagine for a robbery you could get 5 years in prison, 5 years with it on your record and then automatically get it expunged.
Back to the topic at hand , what if the IT hack stopped people from getting paid on time. How many suffered emotional distress ? Evictions can literally cause suicide.
Maybe someone can’t afford medication, skip it and have a stroke.
The entire criminal justice system is broken. So you did something stupid at 20, at 46 you still can’t find a job due to your record.
People want simple easy solutions. Things are much more complicated. If you release a dozen felons 5 years early and 2 go on to commit horrific crimes it’s easy to ignore the good the other 10 did
Re: IoT hacking and rickrolling my high school district
#123Someone I know did something similar, was arrested in their college dorm, and at the sentencing hearing in federal court was fined and sentenced to 5 years probation, and now has a criminal record. This kid is very very lucky. Obviously they violated the CFAA which carries severe criminal penalties. They engaged in actual hacking without any permission or defined scope. And they exploited the system without any respo…
Posts like yours validate the insane over criminalization of what essentially amounts to a prank. I had literally the exact same experience in high school. Got expelled and had to get a GED. They could have easily pressed charges. Part of the issue is people like you who advocate for respecting "the system" and essentially scaring kids into not doing anything. Except that simply re-enforces the draconian laws that ar…
Unfortunately, "desensitizing" people to existing law by illegal rebellions is a Pyrrhic victory at best when the consequences are so impactful to the individuals that martyr for The Cause.
There are processes for changing the laws without sending kids to jail, having to treat kids like terrorists, or potentially making the law even harsher because it isn't effective enough to dissuade lawbreaking. If the laws feel draconian, perhaps following those processes might be a better approach to change the system without as many sacrifices.
Re: IoT hacking and rickrolling my high school district
#124Someone I know did something similar, was arrested in their college dorm, and at the sentencing hearing in federal court was fined and sentenced to 5 years probation, and now has a criminal record. This kid is very very lucky. Obviously they violated the CFAA which carries severe criminal penalties. They engaged in actual hacking without any permission or defined scope. And they exploited the system without any respo…
Posts like yours validate the insane over criminalization of what essentially amounts to a prank. I had literally the exact same experience in high school. Got expelled and had to get a GED. They could have easily pressed charges. Part of the issue is people like you who advocate for respecting "the system" and essentially scaring kids into not doing anything. Except that simply re-enforces the draconian laws that ar…
I don't think telling kids not to narc on themselves "validates the insane over-criminalization". I think telling legislators or parents would, though.
The comment didn't say "respect the system", it said to deal in the realpolitik and don't try to effect legislative change by ruining your life as a high school student.
Re: IoT hacking and rickrolling my high school district
#125Someone I know did something similar, was arrested in their college dorm, and at the sentencing hearing in federal court was fined and sentenced to 5 years probation, and now has a criminal record. This kid is very very lucky. Obviously they violated the CFAA which carries severe criminal penalties. They engaged in actual hacking without any permission or defined scope. And they exploited the system without any respo…
Posts like yours validate the insane over criminalization of what essentially amounts to a prank. I had literally the exact same experience in high school. Got expelled and had to get a GED. They could have easily pressed charges. Part of the issue is people like you who advocate for respecting "the system" and essentially scaring kids into not doing anything. Except that simply re-enforces the draconian laws that ar…
I don't understand this response. Having been on the wrong end of it you should be advocating harder than anyone to teach kids the complexities of cybersecurity law and ensure they can make the right decisions rather than throw away their future over a stupid prank. There is no "validation" happening here, the OP is just stating reality. Random high schoolers' rebellions aren't going to result in Congress overturning the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and a hundred related laws.
Re: IoT hacking and rickrolling my high school district
#126Someone I know did something similar, was arrested in their college dorm, and at the sentencing hearing in federal court was fined and sentenced to 5 years probation, and now has a criminal record. This kid is very very lucky. Obviously they violated the CFAA which carries severe criminal penalties. They engaged in actual hacking without any permission or defined scope. And they exploited the system without any respo…
Posts like yours validate the insane over criminalization of what essentially amounts to a prank. I had literally the exact same experience in high school. Got expelled and had to get a GED. They could have easily pressed charges. Part of the issue is people like you who advocate for respecting "the system" and essentially scaring kids into not doing anything. Except that simply re-enforces the draconian laws that ar…
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Re: IoT hacking and rickrolling my high school district
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
Posts like yours validate the insane over criminalization of what essentially amounts to a prank. I had literally the exact same experience in high school. Got expelled and had to get a GED. They could have easily pressed charges. Part of the issue is people like you who advocate for respecting "the system" and essentially scaring kids into not doing anything. Except that simply re-enforces the draconian laws that ar…
Probably better to try and reform the law instead of suggest children break the law and ruin their lives.
Clarifying that the ruination of lives here is the direct result of profoundly bad laws that inappropriately criminalize benign behaviors.
Re: IoT hacking and rickrolling my high school district
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Posts like yours validate the insane over criminalization of what essentially amounts to a prank. I had literally the exact same experience in high school. Got expelled and had to get a GED. They could have easily pressed charges. Part of the issue is people like you who advocate for respecting "the system" and essentially scaring kids into not doing anything. Except that simply re-enforces the draconian laws that ar…
I don't understand this response. Having been on the wrong end of it you should be advocating harder than anyone to teach kids the complexities of cybersecurity law and ensure they can make the right decisions rather than throw away their future over a stupid prank. There is no "validation" happening here, the OP is just stating reality. Random high schoolers' rebellions aren't going to result in Congress overturning…
> ensure they can make the right decisions rather than throw away their future over a stupid prank.
Is it a good system if a "stupid prank" can "throw away your future" ?
Re: IoT hacking and rickrolling my high school district
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
This post is 100% spot on. While the local school district may treat it as a prank, in the U.S. the federal authorities may not. To see how seriously the government takes this act, look at the penalties section of the relevant U.S. code. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1030
And yet, there is overwhelming demand for what the government calls "cyber security". As a developer it is easy to get good at your craft by practicing and learning, how in the world is a security specialist able to practice without asking for permission or already having a job? A home lab setup? A college degree and formal education? I'm curious how people actually evaluate this career choice.
In my personal experience with working in government related cyber security, the positions are for dudes that type bash commands to run tools that are all developed by 3p companies, which end up hiring people regardless of criminal history.
Re: IoT hacking and rickrolling my high school district
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
Posts like yours validate the insane over criminalization of what essentially amounts to a prank. I had literally the exact same experience in high school. Got expelled and had to get a GED. They could have easily pressed charges. Part of the issue is people like you who advocate for respecting "the system" and essentially scaring kids into not doing anything. Except that simply re-enforces the draconian laws that ar…
This is a very complicated problem. Unless you kill someone I generally don’t believe in life long criminal records. They only serve to drive people into further criminality. I imagine for a robbery you could get 5 years in prison, 5 years with it on your record and then automatically get it expunged. Back to the topic at hand , what if the IT hack stopped people from getting paid on time. How many suffered emotional…
> The entire criminal justice system is broken. So you did something stupid at 20, at 46 you still can’t find a job due to your record.
Welcome to the War On Redemption. Primary participants are the harmful people who create these systems and the people who remain silent while countless lives are ruined for no good result.