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Post by fennecfoxy »

epgui wrote: post #249
Hnrobert42 wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does the CCP get much right?

Setting aside political beliefs/leanings, it would be very difficult to argue that they don't get a lot of things right. This type of rhetorical question or quip is a pretty good example of the mentality I was drawing attention to in my comment: it's entirely possible to think that something is generally bad (eg.: you might think the CCP is, on balance, not great or even terrible) while also recognizing that there ar…

Gosh all your comments are just a roundabout fluff-fest dude. The CCP is committing some of the most tragic modern atrocities. The iron grip of the CCP and their "one china" brain-washing is ruining China for what it could be and the blood will be on your collective paws for generations.

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Post by fennecfoxy »

fennecfoxen wrote: post #57
viktorcode wrote: post #23

Nobody seems to notice that it should not matter at all how accurate exactly the information Wikimedia contains, because it has no relation to the role they can fulfil at WIPO. China blocks the application, citing irrelevant info. Then other countries dismiss those irrelevant accusations as false. It seems the future of WIPO is to become irrelevant UN body.

China does this across the whole UN. You can’t bring your high school club to visit without appeasing the censors, who will check that the school and its clubs have never blogged mentioning Taiwan as anything other than a “province of China.” China is on the security council so this will never change. The UN will implode first. https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/china-makes-sure-everyone-w...

Hey we have the same uname almost uwu

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

krageon wrote: post #308
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #298

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> You didn't really respond to the assertion that all American politicians are right-wing, but it's true. "Two people repeating it on HN comments" != "it's true". It really boils down to: What's your standard of reference? You seem to want to use Europe (I assume) as the standard for defining left and right in US politics. Why do you consider that a reasonable thing to do? And even if you consider it a reasonable thi…

Are you under the impression that if the hypothetical scope were moved off of Europe (why even assume it is on there?), US political parties would seem less unilaterally right-wing? I don't think you could make a coherent (and truthful) case for that, but I might be interested to read it.

Well, if you put the focus on the Middle East, I'm pretty sure every US party would be extremely left-wing.

Now, I agree that the Middle East is not where the standard of reference should be, but it's the area that I'm pretty sure of how we compare. Others are more tricky.

Central and South America? There are countries there that we are clearly to the right of, but also some that we align somewhat with. I don't recall whether there are currently any right-wing dictatorships there.

Asia? We could be to the left of some countries there. I don't have a good idea of how to describe where China is right now - are they right or left? They kind of have elements of both. At least some parties in India are to the right of the US. I don't have a good feel for Africa, though I'd bet that in at least some countries, some parties are to the right of the US.

So... it's complicated. I think I can make a... a "case" might be overstating it, but at least a handwaving argument that if you move the focus off of Europe, then US political parties are less clearly right-wing. But an actual case? That would take something like a worldwide ranking of political parties on a left-right axis, which is data that I freely admit that I do not have.

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Post by fouric »

boba-men wrote: post #28
fouric wrote: post #22

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I can think of the WHO, John Cena's Twitter apology, Blizzard, the NBA, and Apple, but what else is there?

You make it sounds like that's not enough? WHO in of itself would be extremely troubling. And its not just Apple, MANY fortune 500 companies have agreed to comply with authoritarian policies to do business in China.

My apologies, I was being a little bit tongue-in-cheek (which didn't come through as clearly as I hoped) while also genuinely soliciting more items for my list.

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Post by mpfundstein »

preach wrote: post #188

Yeah the West is screwed, but let’s not pretend we didn’t see this coming.

i don't agree. i believe the west is much more resilient then doomers think. the whole world is in a crisis right now, but things are rebounding. business is picking up again at super speed, people are optimistic again and close deals, new tech is being developed and deployed, climate change is finally being taken seriously, etc. etc.

its the nature of democracy that people discuss and fight over things and that decision making is therefore a messy process... but we are getting there.

even stuff like Polands confrontation now with the EU is part of a HEALTHY process and it speaks for the EU that all this is possible... no matter the outcome by the way, as long as indepedenent judges come to a conclusion!

so stop with your predictions of doom. I bet in the long-run, China and Russia will be the one who fail.

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Post by msla »

satao wrote: post #67
perihelions wrote: post #38

Of course Wikimedia won't take any action to appease this totalitarian nonsense. But, most for-profit companies do exactly that. When was the last time any Hollywood movie or mainstream entertainment mentioned Taiwanese conflict? When do you last remember seeing "Free Tibet"? Or any Tibet? Chinese film censors can apply billions of dollars of pressure, simply to change a single word. Who can withstand that? Wikimedia…

It's even crazier because when you are not american you realize that Hollywood is also the biggest soft propaganda agency for the USA. When have you seen a movie about the USSR winning the WW2? Or about the Guantanamo Bay?

> When have you seen a movie about the USSR winning the WW2?

Tell that to the Finns.

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